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Civil Obedience

Started by dalebert, April 06, 2009, 06:33 AM NHFT

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Russell Kanning

Quote from: jzacker on April 08, 2009, 01:33 PM NHFTThe gun, in this case, is not a defensive weapon, but an education tool. 

That's why I think that, even if you never intend on using your weapon, carrying one is still a good idea.

Side note:  I didn't even start thinking about open-carry issues until I saw some YouTube video of a small group of activists in NH doing it.
a sign seems safer

side note ... don't try what those guys are doing at home ... it could be dangerous ;)

Varrin had an idea of doing extreme civil obedience in Keene. You could follow some silly law to its logical comical conclusion. Maybe that would work for both David and Rich. :)

Lloyd Danforth

Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 08, 2009, 01:57 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on April 07, 2009, 08:35 AM NHFT
Part of it is discrimination. Many in the gun culture believe shooting a cop is excessive for a temporary kidnapping.
what would they shoot a cop for?
what if the cop demanding money before they let the person go?
do they only use guns on people who are less powerful or armed than them?
I think someone suggested what was the point of the gun if you weren't going to use it.  Seemed extreme to me.

jzacker

Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 08, 2009, 02:27 PM NHFT
Quote from: jzacker on April 08, 2009, 01:33 PM NHFTThe gun, in this case, is not a defensive weapon, but an education tool. 

That's why I think that, even if you never intend on using your weapon, carrying one is still a good idea.

Side note:  I didn't even start thinking about open-carry issues until I saw some YouTube video of a small group of activists in NH doing it.
a sign seems safer

side note ... don't try what those guys are doing at home ... it could be dangerous ;)

Varrin had an idea of doing extreme civil obedience in Keene. You could follow some silly law to its logical comical conclusion. Maybe that would work for both David and Rich. :)

Who knows what will work?  Sometimes you have to do the same thing over and over before something clicks with the public.  Rosa Parks was not the first black woman to refuse to give up her seat.  But she is the one remembered for doing so.

I think anything that educates is a good thing.

AntonLee

if some other motorist decided to flash lots of lights and get me to pull over, and then asked to see my gun. . . I probably would want to know why this person was wasting my time and not talk economics with them. 

I have better things to be doing than wasting time sitting on the side of the road with people who refused to get jobs that are paid for without stolen money.  No sympathy for those people, their job IS welfare.  . . if they have the worst day of their lives every day for the rest of their lives, it would only be a good start in my opinion.  Good things come to people who do good for others.  Taking a paycheck paid for with stolen dollars is not a decent way to earn a living.

Russell Kanning

Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on April 08, 2009, 02:43 PM NHFT
I think someone suggested what was the point of the gun if you weren't going to use it.  Seemed extreme to me.
Extreme?

Russell Kanning

Quote from: jzacker on April 08, 2009, 03:20 PM NHFT
Who knows what will work?  Sometimes you have to do the same thing over and over before something clicks with the public.  Rosa Parks was not the first black woman to refuse to give up her seat.  But she is the one remembered for doing so.
Why did Rosa Parks stay in her seat?

Pat K

Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 08, 2009, 07:24 PM NHFT
Quote from: jzacker on April 08, 2009, 03:20 PM NHFT
Who knows what will work?  Sometimes you have to do the same thing over and over before something clicks with the public.  Rosa Parks was not the first black woman to refuse to give up her seat.  But she is the one remembered for doing so.
Why did Rosa Parks stay in her seat?

Crazy glue?

Or maybe that hot summer thigh stick to the seat thing.

dalebert

Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 08, 2009, 07:24 PM NHFT
Why did Rosa Parks stay in her seat?
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It was a pre-planned act of civil disobedience and it was brilliantly carried out.

Pat K

Quote from: Coconut on April 08, 2009, 09:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on April 08, 2009, 08:28 PM NHFT
It was a pre-planned act of civil disobedience and it was brilliantly carried out.

It was not pre-planned at all.

Buzz! You are incorrect sir!
But thanks for playing.

Coconut

Quote from: dalebert on April 08, 2009, 08:28 PM NHFT
It was a pre-planned act of civil disobedience and it was brilliantly carried out.

I was thinking that this was false, so I googled it.

The first results for "rosa parks pre-planned" in google (without quotes) are reprints of a Keene Sentinel article. Weird.

Coconut

Quote from: Pat K on April 08, 2009, 09:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on April 08, 2009, 09:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on April 08, 2009, 08:28 PM NHFT
It was a pre-planned act of civil disobedience and it was brilliantly carried out.

It was not pre-planned at all.

Buzz! You are incorrect sir!
But thanks for playing.

I beat you with my delete and repost :)

Pat K

Quote from: Coconut on April 08, 2009, 09:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on April 08, 2009, 09:20 PM NHFT
Quote from: Coconut on April 08, 2009, 09:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on April 08, 2009, 08:28 PM NHFT
It was a pre-planned act of civil disobedience and it was brilliantly carried out.

It was not pre-planned at all.

Buzz! You are incorrect sir!
But thanks for playing.

I beat you with my delete and repost :)


Was that pre-planned? ;D

Vitruvian

I've been giving post-planning a try; so far it seems to be going well.

Giggan

I saw Amy Goodman speak at New College the other day and she said it was pre-planned, and Rosa was a major activist, etc. She also credited her with launching MLK as a public figure, as he spearheaded some legal thing involving that arrest.

Also, she had been arrested for the same thing before the Dec 1st incident for which she is known. That just happened to be what the media picked up on.

dalebert

Quote from: Giggan on April 09, 2009, 11:09 AM NHFT
Also, she had been arrested for the same thing before the Dec 1st incident for which she is known. That just happened to be what the media picked up on.

The media picked up on it because the MLK crew made sure of it. Like here in NH, she had the support of a number of activists.