Anarcho-Jesse arrested

[Fluff and Stuff]

Just trying to understand your last comment "and proud off it."  I can't seem to figure out exactly what you mean, could you explain more?  thanks.

Some of the gay activists in SF used to say stuff like we are hear, get used to it.  That and other such in your face things which the average person may not take a liking to.  Some of the folks in Keene act the same way.  They go on about how they are free staters.  The FSP flags, the FSP signs, the events with FSP in the name.  I've noticed more of that in your face stuff in Keene by liberty activists then in the entire rest of the state combined.  I'm not saying that type of stuff won't work - it very well may work if enough people move to Keene.  It is much less persuasive then many other types of activism, though.

Dale, watch the movie Milk for examples.

[AntonLee]

what's more persuasive?  Ask COG and the FreeKeene/FSP food drive they did.  I bet that goes a long way to better the 'name' of the organization.  I want to move up and help do more of this type of activism. 

[Sam A. Robrin]

For thirty-three years now, I've watched the liberty movement virtually paralyze itself with worrying that this, that, and the other tactic is going to "offend" somebody.  Well, guess what-- They're going to be offended no matter what you do!  They'll find something--anything--to be offended about because the real issue is, they want to avoid responsibility for their own actions (and inactions) or they want to continue to get away with receiving benefits to which they're unentitled.
     Wanta know something?  I'm offended, too!  I'm offended at a bloated bureaucracy that slows progress to a crawl, by a tax structure that phlebotomizes prosperity, by police out of control due to total absolution from accountability, courts slobbering over the prospect of enslaving us, a system that ignores its own rules while improvising new ones impromptu for its subjects . . .
     To hell with the delicate sensibilities of the scavenging rabble!  I'm mad as hell, and they're not going to stick it to me anymore!
     And if that requires "in-your-face" tactics, then I'm going to get in their face--and up their nose and deep inside where I might find some small smattering of brain at last, into which I can finally feed the idea that I don't exist to serve their petty whims.

[Ogre]

Hey Jesse, I just read some of that 52-page (likely million-dollar) manual:

374:48 Definitions. In this subdivision: ...

Excavate... does not include the tilling of soil for agricultural purposes

In other words, by their very own law, you were NOT excavating. They'll have to find another law to charge you with.

[Russell Kanning]

exactly

those 80' tall trees are the ones making roots too

lame excuses by city employees

we could let them know the dangers of eating donuts ... and maybe they should call their doctor for permission

[Porcupine_in_MA]

Hey Jesse, I just read some of that 52-page (likely million-dollar) manual:

374:48 Definitions. In this subdivision: ...

Excavate... does not include the tilling of soil for agricultural purposes

In other words, by their very own law, you were NOT excavating. They'll have to find another law to charge you with.

Good call, Ogre!

[Sam A. Robrin]

Hey Jesse, I just read some of that 52-page (likely million-dollar) manual:

374:48 Definitions. In this subdivision: ...

Excavate... does not include the tilling of soil for agricultural purposes

In other words, by their very own law, you were NOT excavating. They'll have to find another law to charge you with.

So the arresting officer was legislating from the street?  Isn't that illegal?

[Peacemaker]

Just trying to understand your last comment "and proud off it."  I can't seem to figure out exactly what you mean, could you explain more?  thanks.

Some of the gay activists in SF used to say stuff like we are hear, get used to it.  That and other such in your face things which the average person may not take a liking to.  Some of the folks in Keene act the same way.  They go on about how they are free staters.  The FSP flags, the FSP signs, the events with FSP in the name.  I've noticed more of that in your face stuff in Keene by liberty activists then in the entire rest of the state combined.  I'm not saying that type of stuff won't work - it very well may work if enough people move to Keene.  It is much less persuasive then many other types of activism, though.

Dale, watch the movie Milk for examples.

I agree with what Sam said, that there will always be people who don't like you.  And you think only working inside the system is the way to go, but where has it gotten us, especially Nationwide?  Each year the Gov. gets bigger.  The Libertarian Party has been a disaster at achieveing anything besides failure.  But I guess they get along well with the Demicans and Replicrats.

Myself, like many others, are sick of being pushed around, and trying to work with this corrupt system and so the alternative strategy has been to do something, Outside of the system, and then deal with it ("Inside"), pressing buttons to try and defeat our Master's Shell games.

You said "It's much less persuasive than many other types of Activism."  I don't agree .  I think it's the quickest most effective type of Actisim on earth as I think more people pay attention when they see Stuph that makes them think, versus holding a campaign sign, for example. 

And now, please consider looking at how it's working as a recruiting device, especially for Keene(!).

It's the People who have the power and thus they should not have to kiss the Bureaucrats butts.  But in this world, it's our Masters who have the power and according to your school of thought, we should not be so vocal, as I guess it's disrepectful to our Masters' system.  NO thanks.

And the great news is, it will work, because there's going to be a Boatload of people moving to Keene, by the time we get done:).

Now, Won't you join us?

PS: Please don't misunderstand I don't appreciate all the great work and success that is being done by those in NH who want to work inside the system.  The story is tremendous and the successes are real and those individuals who want to work inside the system are of great value for the movement and are helping pave the way for more Liberty.

[Caleb]

     Wanta know something?  I'm offended, too!  I'm offended at a bloated bureaucracy that slows progress to a crawl, by a tax structure that phlebotomizes prosperity, by police out of control due to total absolution from accountability, courts slobbering over the prospect of enslaving us, a system that ignores its own rules while improvising new ones impromptu for its subjects . . .

I agree. Why must I always worry about offending other people?  Why don't they worry about offending me? I'm deeply offended that they've turned this beautiful planet into a robber's den.

[J’raxis 270145]

You can get that treatment in Manch and Concord, from what I hear.

Manch cops have hopefully learnt their lesson, courtesy of a few high-profile cases (mainly Ryan's) and the litter pickups. I haven't heard about an OC case in a while here.

Doobie singlehandedly seems to have taught the Concord cops to lay off. He was stopped four or five times, and the most recent stop the cop actually acklowledged he had no reason to detain Doobie, and so let him go being required to give a name or any other info.

Nashua (and I think some of the seacoast cities) is the major city that still needs improvement.

[John Edward Mercier]

Hey Jesse, I just read some of that 52-page (likely million-dollar) manual:

374:48 Definitions. In this subdivision: ...

Excavate... does not include the tilling of soil for agricultural purposes

In other words, by their very own law, you were NOT excavating. They'll have to find another law to charge you with.

So the arresting officer was legislating from the street?  Isn't that illegal?

Not exactly.
The 'Excavate' clause is part of the NH Revised Statute Annotated and doesn't contain local ordinance...

[Fluff and Stuff]

I agree with what Sam said, that there will always be people who don't like you.  And you think only working inside the system is the way to go, but where has it gotten us?

When did I say it is the only way to go?  I do outside the system activism and lots of non-political activism inside NH - where I live.

To answer your question, we have achieved quite a bit in NH with inside the system activism.  I'll continue to do a large variety of activism and continue to not do in your face type stuff because that is a major turn off to me.

And the great news is, it will work, because there's going to be a Boatload of people moving to Keene, by the time we get done:).

I'm moving to Keene next week.  When are you moving there?

[bigmike]

Motion to dismiss, yet I don't think Jesse will use their rules in his defense.

[Discipula]

Maybe I'm being stupid but that document confuses me. They go overboard expressing the importance of calling them to identify the stuff underground, and then state that they have no idea how deep anything is. How is that supposed to be helpful?

[slim]

I laughed my ass off when the cop was suguesting that Jesse might hit some electrical lines by digging in the ground.

Reasons why that is absurd
1. Electrical Lines are encased in a conduit
2. Lines are normally have a minimum depth of about 36 inches yep 3 feet
3. If somehow Jesse dug down 3 feet got through the conduit and penetrated the cables insulation with a hoe he deserves to be electrocuted to death, that is just nature thinning the herd.