Court Orders Parents to Poison Their 13-Year-Old Child with Chemo

[Kat Kanning]

No way you could be nice?

[RevDebbie]

Grolled, they still have a claim to the single, unwed mother's child via the child's state-issued birth certificate. (Read the article contained in the second link.  It's under item #2 in that article.)

And neither of the websites are mine.  One is owned by Blogger and the other is owned by Pastor Trewhella's Mercy Seat Christian Church (of which I am not a member). 

[grolled]

Grolled, they still have a claim to the single, unwed mother's child via the child's state-issued birth certificate. (Read the article contained in the second link.  It's under item #2 in that article.)

And neither of the websites are mine.  One is owned by Blogger and the other is owned by Pastor Trewhella's Mercy Seat Christian Church (of which I am not a member). 

My apologies if I was too blunt but my point is that the issue is not one of "state-issued marriage license", which are easily avoided but one of "state-issued birth certificates". The problem is how does one avoid the birth certificate.

The state-issued marriage license in this case seems to be a red herring and the real focus is the birth certificate, right?

[Ogre]

You're speaking as if the state actually attempts to give a reason for their actions. The state will no more even attempt to do that that they will follow the Constitution. The authority of the state and the judges comes from within themselves. They believe that they can do what they want because they can, period. They do not request the authority, nor will they even answer from where they get their authority. As long as they have a number of obedient henchmen with lots of guns, they will do what they want, no matter who claims what authority. 

[RevDebbie]

Grolled, they still have a claim to the single, unwed mother's child via the child's state-issued birth certificate. (Read the article contained in the second link.  It's under item #2 in that article.)

And neither of the websites are mine.  One is owned by Blogger and the other is owned by Pastor Trewhella's Mercy Seat Christian Church (of which I am not a member). 

My apologies if I was too blunt but my point is that the issue is not one of "state-issued marriage license", which are easily avoided but one of "state-issued birth certificates". The problem is how does one avoid the birth certificate.

The state-issued marriage license in this case seems to be a red herring and the real focus is the birth certificate, right?

One way you could try to avoid the state-issued birth certificate is to record the new baby's name in the Family Records section of your Family Bible (just as you would do for your marriage).  This would probably be easiest if the mother gave birth at home.  After giving birth in a hospital, the staff usually try to force you to sign papers for a state birth certificate for the newborn under threat of violence (they will get law enforcement involved).  You can still refuse to grant your permission for a state-issued birth certificate for the new baby, but they probably won't let Mom and/or baby out of the hospital as long as you refuse.  So be prepared for a legal battle.  And I did hear of a case where the hospital staff put the birth registration into the computer without the family's consent.  And once it's registered with the government, there's no removing it!

Now if you are older and already have a state birth certificate, I know of one way to possibly get around it.  You could do what Mr. Garry Davis did in 1948.  He renounced his US citizenship while in France and became a stateless person.  His amazing story is chronicled in his book, "Passport To Freedom."  After becoming stateless, he started the World Service Authority which issued birth certificates, passports, marriage certificates and other identifying documents to anyone who needed them.  They even have a World Citizenship one can apply for.  Mr. Davis has successfully used his documents for ID and travel since he became stateless in 1948.  He currently resides in the US even though they have threatened to deport him.  The problem the US government has with deporting him is that they have nowhere to deport him to, since he has no citizenship with any other country.  The only thing they could do is drop him into the ocean somewhere in International Waters, but so far they haven't done that. 

Two books I would recommend reading on the subject of getting rid of your old identity are:

1. "Called Out" by the Embassy of Heaven Church, available to read online here - http://tinyurl.com/qeat9w
2. "Passport To Freedom" by Garry Davis, which is available for purchase here - http://worldservice.org/cat.html?s=4#books

And The American's Bulletin sells books on reclaiming your lost sovereignty.  You may download a copy of their catalog here - http://the.americansbulletin.org/2009-books-a-materials-catalog

[bigmike]

I just heard on the news that the judge in Minnesota upgraded the charge to a felony so that they will be able to extradite these peaceful people from Mexico. It seems they already know the hospital the boy and his mother are headed to. If anyone else wants to call the court:

Judge John R. Rodenberg

Brown County

Brown County Courthouse
Phone: (507) 233-6670

[Ogre]

That's so incredibly sad.

[Discipula]

Am I the only person who doesn't see them not sending in child services to steal someone's child (or force medical treatment, education, etc) just because they didn't get a birth certificate. wow...I think that was a triple negative. As far as I know, it's illegal to not register a birth in all states, so at the very least they'd nab you for that.
I'd probably have fled too, given the same situation. Unfortunately now the poor mother has been forced to make some really unfortunate decisions and they can't run forever. Eventually they're gonna either come home or be caught, and it can't possibly end well. She's going to get thrown in jail and the kid, if he's even allowed to live at home with his father, will get the chemo anyway. A very sad story.

[RevDebbie]

If the child's birth is never registered with the State via a birth certificate, they won't even know the child exists.  There will be no SS# for the child (you can't get a SS card without a birth certificate).  So how can child protection services come and take someone who doesn't exist?

As for it being illegal to not register a birth... Well, lots of things are illegal that shouldn't be.  The only way to take back our human rights is to fight for them by fighting the system.  That's what civil disobedience is. 

[KBCraig]

Oh, but they do have a claim on your daughter.  Your state marriage license and her state issued birth certificate give them that claim.

And here I thought it was their guys with guns that gave them that claim.

Am I the only person who doesn't see them not sending in child services to steal someone's child (or force medical treatment, education, etc) just because they didn't get a birth certificate. wow...I think that was a triple negative. As far as I know, it's illegal to not register a birth in all states, so at the very least they'd nab you for that.

You're correct.

You can record the birth in your family Bible, publicize it in the local newspaper of record, and file certified copies of those documents at the county courthouse, but none of that counts in the state's eyes unless you get a birth certificate.

I've only closely studied Arkansas, but it's a felony there if you fail to register a live birth. There have been cases where women claimed a stillbirth or miscarriage, then dealt with the remains through private family/religious burial. The state, unable to prove infanticide, prosecuted them for failing to register the birth.

[NJLiberty]

Oh, but they do have a claim on your daughter.  Your state marriage license and her state issued birth certificate give them that claim. 

They may claim whatever they wish, at whatever time they wish, for whatever reason they wish. I do not recognize their claim, nor would I honor it. The last I checked they weren't involved in creating my daughter, so any claim they put forward would be invalid. They can come attempt to enforce their claim. I certainly can't stop them from trying that, but I can sure as hell make it as unpleasant as possible for them, and perhaps make them think twice before they try it again. At some point, even these idiots will reach a point where the cost is too much for them to bear. We just haven't reached that cost yet. It is still too easy for them, too little risk, and too much reward for them to not come after people.

I feel bad that the mother felt compelled to run. The government has virtually unlimited resources, and doesn't give a whit about their own laws, so it is only a matter of time before they are hunted down for daring to defy the court. Such a waste to put these poor people through so much simply because they don't want a particular medical treatment for their child.

George

[Kat Kanning]

http://www.naturalnews.com/026330.html

[ByronB]

I can't side with the mother on this one really (not siding with the court either). I've seen way too many "natural remedies" that are nothing less then outright BS dreamed up by profiteers who prey on the gullible to keep them in business (deionized water, please; WTH is that going to do).

I certainly don't want the court deciding what operations and treatment I am to have but IMO that is far different then me KILLING someone by denying them proper treatment.

(glances nervously at karma before posting)

[thinkliberty]

I can't side with the mother on this one really (not siding with the court either). I've seen way too many "natural remedies" that are nothing less then outright BS dreamed up by profiteers who prey on the gullible to keep them in business (deionized water, please; WTH is that going to do).

I certainly don't want the court deciding what operations and treatment I am to have but IMO that is far different then me KILLING someone by denying them proper treatment.

(glances nervously at karma before posting)

Chemo kills a LOT of people, radiation kills more. Those doctors are profiteers -- they make their money treating sick people. They will only treat you with things that has been approved by the FDA, it's illegal for them to treat you with anything else. The doctors called the police  in this case, so they could get money for treatment. Most doctors don't work for free.

Cheerios just got a nasty letter from the FDA, because it has been clinically proven to treat high blood cholesterol. The FDA says cheerios can't do that. Because only approved drugs can be used to treat medical symptoms in the US.  (just because the FDA approves a drugs does mean it's safe or even affective. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-10-12-vioxx-cover_x.htm)

Maybe we should jail anyone that wants to try lowering their cholesterol using oat cereal instead of lipitor too.

The government does not allow the doctors to keep their license and treat people with unauthorized medication that is proven to work. Why should people be jailed, if they choose alternative medicine?

In this case the government is jailing people that are seeking proper treatment. (There is no 100% guaranty that it will work, but there is no 100% guaranty the chemo will work either.) A lot of time chemo kills people earlier than they would have, if they were left untreated.

[Ogre]

I read today that the mother returned. Basically, it appears she was scared to be running from the government for the rest of her life.