Cartoon

[MTPorcupine3]

Good one.

[Mike Barskey]

Nice. And I like that the father's face is nonchalant, like he's resigned to the fact that govt is crime. Now if he'd stop reading the mainstream media and do something about it.

[tomgh]

If someone you supported were elected to public office, would you then consider that person to be a crook? How would you anticipate getting someone elected to reflect your views if you refused to support that person once elected?

[dalebert]

If someone you supported were elected to public office, would you then consider that person to be a crook? How would you anticipate getting someone elected to reflect your views if you refused to support that person once elected?

Whether or not I support someone is based on the choices they make. You can support someone and then stop supporting them because of a choice they made. Also, you may support someone in certain endeavors but not others. Andrew Carroll is an example of someone like that for me. I largely support him in many of his endeavors but he's planning to run for office now and he knows where I stand on that. I've tried to discourage him but I failed and he's going to go through with it. I know he's an intelligent guy with a good heart and perhaps he will learn from the experience as I did when I made the same mistake.

[tomgh]

So if someone decides to run for public off ice to be involved in the process of developing policy, you would discourage that, especially if it were someone you agreed with?

[dalebert]

So if someone decides to run for public off ice to be involved in the process of developing policy, you would discourage that, especially if it were someone you agreed with?

I know it's common to use soft words like policy but it's just a criminal organization and a bunch of justifications for using violence against innocent people. I always discourage involvement with a criminal organization but if it's someone who agrees with me, then I probably have a lot more hope of actually persuading that person than someone who largely disagrees with me.

[tomgh]

Your reaction to being controlled by an organization of which you could be a part and change those nefarious activities is to reject being part of that organization?

So you abandon that organization to the control of others, and then object to their policies?

I recall Groucho Marx saying he would never belong to a country club that would have him as a member; your logic seems similar.

[dalebert]

Dude, you don't get it. I'm not having this conversation with you to debate. It's like the straight guy who mistakenly walks into a gay bar. It's not that he's not welcome. But if he starts complaining about all the guys who are talking about home decorating and holding hands and maybe making out a little bit while he's there and then insists on talking about sports and hot women and so on while no one else is interested, then someone needs to hit on him and get him to leave because he obviously is not interested in what's going on there and is just a big buzz-kill. Know what I mean? I wasn't trying to debate you. I was just trying to make it clear that we are on two very different wavelengths and you are barking up the wrong tree.

This debate about politics has been had umpteen-bajillion times here, give or take a bajillion. I'll point you at this thread where it went back and forth for a few hundreds pages and when you're done reading that, if you have something new to add to the conversation that wasn't said there, fine. I'm eager to hear it. But that should take you a couple of days of sitting and scanning your computer screen. Just keep in mind that I've already been through that thread, so you saying the same things again here is kind of tedious for me. I know you're new here, and I'm just trying to give you some idea of how big of a task you are taking on in trying to persuade me that politics can be used for good. And frankly, this is probably not the forum to have that conversation just because that dead horse can't take much more beating.

Alternatively, if your patience isn't up to that (and who could blame you?), you could go here and do all kinds of political planning and get all kinds of hugs and support and we will all be happy campers.

-- The Analoginator

[tomgh]

I guess I just don't see the attitude that elected officials are by their very status criminals and worthy of our condemnation supportive with any belief in democracy or elective office.

It denigrates the very principles of representative government. You know- the Constitution.

[Kat Kanning]

That's right.  Anarchists don't support representative government.  You picked right up on that.

[dalebert]

That's right.  Anarchists don't support representative government.  You picked right up on that.

He's quick, Kat.

[tracysaboe]

LOL.

I'm an Anarchist.

Although, if an elected official can throw a monkey wrench into the gang of Archist plans by becoming a member of there criminal gang, I don't really have a problem with that. It's like he's an infiltrator.

Although, once there, is VERY VERY difficult to not become part of the problem. Ron Paul does it well, but I mean, you hear about cops infiltrating gans being forced to do all sorts of evil things and it's very difficult for the Anarcho/Libertarian to not fall into simular traps.

Like, I support Rand Paul's candidacy. I sort-of oppose Peter Schiff's though, because we'd be loosing a great entrepreneur in this country. I mean, if he runs, I hope he wins, but I kind-of hope he decides against running.

I go back and forth on this issue in my own head all the time.  I even ran for state Senate here last year. Thought maybe I could prevent or at least slow down some bad. Now, I wonder if my participation gave legitimacy to an evil system and an Evil Party.

Anyway,

Thanks for the Cartoon. That was great.

Tracy

[Russell Kanning]

So if someone decides to run for public off ice to be involved in the process of developing policy, you would discourage that, especially if

... he was evil

[Lloyd Danforth]

That sounds reasonable.

[MTPorcupine3]

Here's another one.