Gold: $470.60/oz

[KBCraig]

Hmmm... a diesel space heater.

http://www.worldofpower.co.uk/acatalog/Paraffin_Diesel_Space_Heaters.html

How can a diesel space heater be "clean burning"?  ???

Diesel/kerosene/fuel oil/jet fuel are all minor variations of the same thing. Cleanliness of the burn depends on complete combustion.

And "Paraffin" is British for "kerosene". It's not paraffin wax, like we use the term.

Kevin

[ladyattis]

Books on eating in the wild by Euell Gibbons would be handy, although I had a bad experience with Arrow root once.

When in doubt, if it tastes funny or bitter then it probably isn't safe to eat.

-- Bridget

[Michael Fisher]

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Schiff/oct132005.html

Twice during the last century the Dow lost over 90% of its value relative to gold. If such declines could occur in an America with a strong industrial economy, ample domestic savings, and a favorable balance of payments, imagine what could happen today.

[Russell Kanning]

Those guys were living on margin during those times also.

[Michael Fisher]

Those guys were living on margin during those times also.

At least they had a strong, productive economy that added value to the rest of the world.

Our economy is a major drain on the rest of the world.  If a depression happens now, it could spell the end for this government.

[Dreepa]

Those guys were living on margin during those times also.

At least they had a strong, productive economy that added value to the rest of the world.

Our economy is a major drain on the rest of the world.? If a depression happens now, it could spell the end for this government.

I wouldn't say that we are a drain on the world economy.  If we go down the go down with us.

[Russell Kanning]

I agree with dreepa. There is plenty of reality to productivity here.

[tracysaboe]

You don't have to choose between gold/silver and survival supplies.  You can buy both.  We've already gained a significant benefit from owning bullion as the US dollar is dying.

Supplies are my new priority.  But what to buy?

How do we keep warm in the winter without a fireplace if the power goes out?   ???  Our heater and oil will be worthless.  We also have no food, water, tools, or anything else for an emergency. 

You lived in Utah right?
Be like the mormons.
72 hour kit ( which every house should have)
1 year supply of food.

Do you have any information on this? What exactly IS a 72 hour kit? And where do you store food? The only place I store food for a year is in my deep freeze -- and that requires electricity.

Tracy

[Michael Fisher]

I agree with dreepa. There is plenty of reality to productivity here.

Not really.  You see, people need things in life.  Because of our scam currency, we are draining the resources of the rest of the world for our own benefit.  Americans consume everything and produce almost nothing.  Without this scam fiat currency, our "house of cards" economy of ultra-consumption will cease to exist.

Our country will enter a severe depression until Americans learn to live indendently, live within their means, and when our manufacturing base returns, which could be many years.  The government will also need to leave us alone for our manufacturing base to return, and existing economic restrictions could result in a revolution as these countless regulations grind our collapsed economy to a complete halt.

It will be very ugly, but at least it will reflect true economic reality once the scam dollar collapses.

As far as I'm concerned, it's uglier now in this country than it could ever be.

[Michael Fisher]

Do you have any information on this? What exactly IS a 72 hour kit? And where do you store food? The only place I store food for a year is in my deep freeze -- and that requires electricity.

Canned food in people's basements.  That's all I noticed while living there.

[Pat McCotter]

What kind of room is available under your bed; back of your closet(s); behind your furniture/bookshelves;etc.

My grandparents had a pantry where the Mason jars of home grown and canned food was stored.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Those guys were living on margin during those times also.

At least they had a strong, productive economy that added value to the rest of the world.

Our economy is a major drain on the rest of the world.? If a depression happens now, it could spell the end for this government.

And, the downside is?

[Lloyd Danforth]

What kind of room is available under your bed; back of your closet(s); behind your furniture/bookshelves;etc.

My grandparents had a pantry where the Mason jars of home grown and canned food was stored.

There is pre-packaged food available, popular before the millenium scare and MRE's that I know nothing about.

A good friend of mine, now deceased, tried to keep a 5 year supply of food. He formed a buying club to buy wholsale lots of organic food.  He bought bags of Rice, soy beans, wheat berries, oats and other stuff.  He poured it into 1 gallon glass jugs.  He had a couple of bottles of Carbon Dioxide with a tube attached.  He would insert the tube into the jug to the bottom and introduce the gas until it came out of the top and, then seal the jug.
I've forgotten my definitions of aerobic and anerobic, but, one means to live in oxygen and the other to live without oxygen.
The above protects agaings oxygen living bugs. It worked pretty well, but, occaisional failures occurred. Rotation is important. You want to eat the older stuff and replace it. Some people use dry ice instead of the gas.
The state of the art of preserving food may have improved since I learned this.

[Fluff and Stuff]

I've forgotten my definitions of aerobic and anerobic, but, one means to live in oxygen and the other to live without oxygen.
The above protects agaings oxygen living bugs. It worked pretty well, but, occaisional failures occurred. Rotation is important. You want to eat the older stuff and replace it. Some people use dry ice instead of the gas.
The state of the art of preserving food may have improved since I learned this.

Aerobic and Anaerobic
Aerobic- with Oxygen
Anaerobic- without Oxygen

[Michael Fisher]

Those guys were living on margin during those times also.

At least they had a strong, productive economy that added value to the rest of the world.

Our economy is a major drain on the rest of the world.? If a depression happens now, it could spell the end for this government.

And, the downside is?