Don't associate with Ryan Marvin.

[Puke]

Wouldn't it be ironic if people started submitting recommendations for including Ryan himself on his dontpatronize.info website?

That would be rather humorous.

[Friday]

If you have $20 in your wallet, and you owe someone $100, but you give the $20 to a friend, that may be an act of kindness to the person who receives the $20, but where does that leave the person/corporation who, in good faith, loaned you the $100?  We can't have a functional free market society if we don't keep our word, honor our contracts, and pay our debts. Just sayin'.

Anytime you loan someone money you should also be specifying (or implicitly agreeing to) a time period with which that person has to pay it back.

So what's your point?  Andy, Brinck, Ron, Alec et al are at fault for failing to specify a time period as you state they "should"?  I don't buy it.

If I have a $100,000 mortgage with an agreement to pay it back (amortized) over 10 years, then I would be perfectly justified in giving a friend $20 before I paid back my whole mortgage as long as I still pay back the mortgage in the 10 year period. Just sayin'.

Yeah, that's called honoring your contract.  Reread my post.

[supperman15]

If you have $20 in your wallet, and you owe someone $100, but you give the $20 to a friend, that may be an act of kindness to the person who receives the $20, but where does that leave the person/corporation who, in good faith, loaned you the $100?  We can't have a functional free market society if we don't keep our word, honor our contracts, and pay our debts. Just sayin'.

Anytime you loan someone money you should also be specifying (or implicitly agreeing to) a time period with which that person has to pay it back.

So what's your point?  Andy, Brinck, Ron, Alec et al are at fault for failing to specify a time period as you state they "should"?  I don't buy it.

The verbal contract on Andy/Brinks side was pay the utilities on time.  Then he stole from them on top of his fraudulent mishandling of the utilities.  This isn't a matter of figures as much as principle.  When it comes to this situation; Ryan should have fulfilled his obligations first, then bought alcohol.

[Ryan McGuire]

So what's your point?  Andy, Brinck, Ron, Alec et al are at fault for failing to specify a time period as you state they "should"?  I don't buy it.

I was mostly commenting on Dale's post about charity and when it's appropriate to do it in general, not about any of these people's particular situations which I don't know beyond hearsay. I think you and I agree on the sanctity of contracts.

[Giggan]

Thinking about this, I came up with an idea that the injured parties may wish to consider. This route could potentially get the FSP nationally televised coverage.

Judge Joe Brown.

or Judge Judy, one of those shows. An embezzlement that turns into common thievery is the type of thing those shows eat up. Also, you're flown out to the show and paid to be on it. A friend of a friend was on Judge Judy, and supposedly, before the show, you actually go into real court and they work out the particulars (Defendant owes x-amount, absent Judy). Once that's over, you go into Judge Judy's studio/court room, and act out the case, tell the story, and listen for the non-shocking verdict.

The downsides: I believe both parties are paid to appear, so you are giving your aggressor a paycheck. Also, since you don't wanna go the legal route, you would have to deal with a legally-binding decision, and whatever bureaucracy that entails.

I could just see the proceedings now, with Andy and Brink as the plaintiffs, and Keith in the witness chair off to the side, called up halfway through the show to talk about how cool his ninja game was.

[Mellamo]

Thinking about this, I came up with an idea that the injured parties may wish to consider. This route could potentially get the FSP nationally televised coverage.

Judge Joe Brown.

or Judge Judy, one of those shows. An embezzlement that turns into common thievery is the type of thing those shows eat up. Also, you're flown out to the show and paid to be on it. A friend of a friend was on Judge Judy, and supposedly, before the show, you actually go into real court and they work out the particulars (Defendant owes x-amount, absent Judy). Once that's over, you go into Judge Judy's studio/court room, and act out the case, tell the story, and listen for the non-shocking verdict.

The downsides: I believe both parties are paid to appear, so you are giving your aggressor a paycheck. Also, since you don't wanna go the legal route, you would have to deal with a legally-binding decision, and whatever bureaucracy that entails.

I could just see the proceedings now, with Andy and Brink as the plaintiffs, and Keith in the witness chair off to the side, called up halfway through the show to talk about how cool his ninja game was.

That's clearly the most awesome solution to this problem. I sent an email to Eye for an Eye with Judge Extreme Akim and the People's Court a while back, but I should get around to contacting the other shows.

[AntonLee]

Eye for an Eye is my favorite Judge type show.  If it's real or not isn't something I want to think about.  However, I watched one very entertaining episode where the bank owed a man some money.

They lost the case, and the representative of the bank who was in the Court had to go over to the Court ATM and get out the money they owed the person.  He didn't have enough so the court covered the rest and the gentleman had to go "work it off" by cutting the court's grass outside.

[Mellamo]

Eye for an Eye is my favorite Judge type show.  If it's real or not isn't something I want to think about.  However, I watched one very entertaining episode where the bank owed a man some money.

They lost the case, and the representative of the bank who was in the Court had to go over to the Court ATM and get out the money they owed the person.  He didn't have enough so the court covered the rest and the gentleman had to go "work it off" by cutting the court's grass outside.

I'd be satisfied with a ruling like that. Maybe we can make him our butler and have him wear a penguin suit and a fez.

[KBCraig]

When Wapner was doing it, here's how it worked: both parties were paid the maximum possible award for small claims (I think it was $5k at first, then $10k). If the winner was awarded the max, the loser walked away with nothing except a free trip to L.A.

I imagine the others follow pretty much the same format.

[anthonybpugh]

TRIAL BY COMBAT!  

In the Blue Corner,  Weighing in at 180 lbs....Ryan 'The Thief' Marvin

In the Red Corner....weighing in at much more than that.....Brink, 'I will crush Ryan into paste" Statley.  

That would be awesome....

[Russell Kanning]

fez fez fez

[Kat Kanning]

TRIAL BY COMBAT!  

In the Blue Corner,  Weighing in at 180 lbs....Ryan 'The Thief' Marvin

In the Red Corner....weighing in at much more than that.....Brink, 'I will crush Ryan into paste" Statley.  

That would be awesome....

You could sell tickets to it to make up the amount that was stolen from the guys.

[anthonybpugh]

Exactly........  There would be concessions, bets, t-shirt sales..... video sales.   

Then think about the rematch. 

[Ragnar76]

One word for Mr. Marvin: toothbrush

I remember first meeting him at the Taproom and I almost turned away in horror when he opened his mouth. It seems reasonable to conclude that if a person doesn't care enough to maintain a minimum level of hygiene or personal care, he's less likely to respect the property of others.

[specter34]

Thinking about this, I came up with an idea that the injured parties may wish to consider. This route could potentially get the FSP nationally televised coverage.

Judge Joe Brown.

or Judge Judy, .

You do know those shows only make money due to the retards that are willing to humiliate themselves.  I'm not sure how high you are but if you think joe brown will help the FSP gain respect and interest you need to put the pipe down.  Granted I would love to see these jack asses go at it on TV however they would make us all look like twats.