Gay got saved at Kilgore protest

[Russell Kanning]

Btw? the title says he 'got saved'
Saved from what?

that is the problem with this post ..... he was saved from eternal punishment ..... not a lifestyle

[FTL_Ian]

The greatest cause of Atheism is Rationality.

Amen to that!   

[Russell Kanning]

you cannot steal christian phraseology if you are going to oppose it

[FTL_Ian]

I didn't steal it, as you can still use it.  I prefer "borrowing".   

[Lloyd Danforth]

Amen is Hebrew.  It is the equivalent of 'Ditto' at the end of their prayers.

[joeyforpresident]

Russell, I post this sorta thing half to get people talking, half because I really feel the need to spread the news to people.

Guys, I'm working on the platform. I do not favor punishing people by death for the sins in the Old Testament.

Sorry, but I don't.


I know that's hard for you all to believe.

And you guys can read what will be in my campaign literature here:

http://joeydauben.blogspot.com

[Dreepa]

Joey do you know the meaning of the word genocide?
You may think that abortion is homicide but it is not genocide.

So you want a FEDERAL Law banning abortion?

[Michael Fisher]

Russell, I post this sorta thing half to get people talking, half because I really feel the need to spread the news to people.

Guys, I'm working on the platform. I do not favor punishing people by death for the sins in the Old Testament.

Sorry, but I don't.

I know that's hard for you all to believe.

I thought you were just being open and honest about your beliefs, which is good even if I disagree.  But now you deny them.

You're losing my trust very rapidly.

[KBCraig]

The greatest cause of Atheism is Rationality.

You overestimate the occurence of rationality.

[Lloyd Danforth]

The greatest cause of Atheism is Rationality.

You overestimate the occurence of rationality.

There's not a lot of Atheists

[Caleb]

The greatest cause of Atheism is Rationality.

Lloyd, I'm not trying to pick on you ...

but isn't this just a tad incendiary?  It smacks of the sort of arbitrary closemindedness and hypocrisy that lovers of liberty all despise. 

A person can only be rational if he denies the existence of anything greater than himself?  To believe in something beyond makes a person irrational?  Why do you get to determine the benchmark for what is or is not rational?


Caleb

[Russell Kanning]

I didn't steal it, as you can still use it.? I prefer "borrowing".? ?

that is good since stealing is against God's laws ..... the only ones I even try to obey .... and I am not even good at those.

[Russell Kanning]

The greatest cause of Atheism is Rationality.

Amen to that!? ?

sure looks like english to me ..... and when Ian uses it ..... I bet he is picturing a fundy Christian responding to a preacher

[Lloyd Danforth]

The greatest cause of Atheism is Rationality.

Lloyd, I'm not trying to pick on you ...

but isn't this just a tad incendiary?? It smacks of the sort of arbitrary closemindedness and hypocrisy that lovers of liberty all despise.?

A person can only be rational if he denies the existence of anything greater than himself?? To believe in something beyond makes a person irrational?? Why do you get to determine the benchmark for what is or is not rational?


Caleb

I didn't think you were picking on me.  Wouldn't care if you were.
I wasn't taking any of this seriously.
A rational person is one who believes what can be proved.
No one has ever proved there is a god.

[tracysaboe]

OH come on guys. Joey's harmless.

I happen to agree with him that homosexuality is an immoral lifestyle. And I also agree that God can change peoples hearts and minds. "HE changed my 'want-to'"

Many people who are involved in a homosexual lifestyle really don't want to be in it, but it's something they've gotten addicted to. Just like some people get addicted to porn, or other sexual addictions.

A good point was made that maybe he DIDN'T change his desire but just his actions.

Well so what? Many times sin is something that desireful. A rapest will tell you that it felt good and he desired to rape at the time -- but nobody hear would agree that it would be a moral thing to do just because he desired it and it felt good.

Now fortunitly libertarianism is only about that subset of morality -- actually violating another individual's person or property -- that government should be involved with defending against, so this is really a non-issue for this forum.

As for me, I follow the example of Jesus. Instead of stoning and locking up prostitutes, he sat with them, and talked with them, and genuinely cared about them, and showed them a better way of life.


Tracy

You are so loving and caring.  Telling people how to think and act and whom they should love should get you all the godly friends. 

Comparing certian people who happen to love other people than your jebus book says is ok to rapists just shows me that your religious small-mindedness has your brain all twisted up and filled with hate.  Just because you call it love for your fellow man and "tolerance" and non-agression doesn't make it any less hatefull. 

If you or  your god tries to change my heart and mind or my WANT-TO I'll kick them in the Jimmy.

Think whatever you like but I feel you are just stupid for making comments like this.  From some of the comments I read earlier from you I was almost about to change my opinion about how not all religous whackjobs are not the same.  Now I have to seriously re-think that.

I apologize to any other religious whack-jobs on the list who would like to distance themselves from stupid, hateful, small-minded shit like what Tracy said above.

MOLON LABE

What's Hate-filled about non-violently, patiently, befriending somebody and convincing them that the path in life that they've chosen to follow is self destructive. There are lots of self destructive sinfull things that people do that are legal, should be legal, and are none of the government's business. But it's perfectly with-in libertarian morality to use perswasion and help people out. Especially if those people want help -- which in my personal experience many people will live a homosexual lifestyle DO want out of it.

In fact, there are even more extreme nonforcefull tools in the libertarian arsenal consistent with NAP. Simply non-association, astricism, or even banishment.

Just because I think something's immoral doesn't mean I think the government or anybody else should FORCE people to behave a certain way. God will only change your heart if you want him too. He's too much of a gentlemen to force his will on you. He wants to you to want to change of your own volition. only when you ask for help will he change your heart and soul. He believes in free will -- infact the Christian would say he he made us with free will, because he wants each of us to be free to choose Him on our own. If we didn't have free will, we'd be Robots and then we wouldn't be capible of love.

I don't understand why you lash out at me so much. I'm not advocating Stoning Gays or anything like the person Joey's campaining for is.

I'll say it again, I think you're a bit hypere-sensitive.

Tracy