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Jim Johnson

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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2009, 11:52 PM NHFT »

See... and in the future the ratio of women to men changes from like there's six women total in the entire galaxy, and most of them are dead, to all most 50%.   ;)
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John

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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2009, 12:14 AM NHFT »

I'm not part of the "battle" anymore.

Some people say, "Free your ass, and your mind will follow."
I like to say, "Free your mind and your ass will follow."

The intellectual battle has been [was] won [years ago.] Let's stop debating. [Or at least = please = take time out to enjoy each others company


Let's start living like Free individuals.
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2009, 12:23 AM NHFT »

BTW Jim, We (at headquarters) know that you are Russell523475 not russslell jim76327469.
If you see Lauren 694576  ... she will be OK. We can not (yet) afford to lose the musle of this operation.
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2009, 06:42 AM NHFT »

In the future earth is used up, so folks went look'n for other places.
To fuck up
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2009, 04:06 PM NHFT »

Speaking of Firefly, I actually couldn't bring myself to watch it for a few times when I tried. My style was Star Trek with clean powerful ships and a polite crew. Firefly is like Star Trek gone totally wrong somewhere... The ship is a piece of cr@p (I know, Kaylee would be offended), the crew is frankenstein and the future described is among the worst things I ever saw... China and USA merge into The Tyrannical Alliance? Yet humanity is supposedly evolved enough to have technologies that got them so far deep into space? Something just smells about that. I don't believe humans can evolve technologically too far while mentally actually going backwards. If that happens, it wont happen, because we're gonna be dead.

But last time I tried watching, regardless of all the stuff above, I stood through the first few episodes and was so hooked I spent an entire night watching all episodes till the end.  :rofl: I guess that dirty charm got to me and I still liked the whole attitude of "you're not gonna tell me how I'm gonna live my life"..
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2009, 01:29 PM NHFT »

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Speaking of Firefly, I actually couldn't bring myself to watch it for a few times when I tried.

I smote you. Seriously. I give karma for Firefly references (Sandy's winning by a landslide!) so I have to smite when you dis it. Jim and Pat, +1.

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My style was Star Trek with clean powerful ships and a polite crew.

And the Death Star, don't forget that! The difference? It's made EXPLICITLY clear that disobedience on the Death Star will result in violence against you. On Trek, it's only "hinted at" by a court martial which might even be worse, since it's legitimized. I'm willing to bet that the people BUILDING the Death Star likely included contractors as well, meaning that it wasn't 100% filled with bureaucrats, unlike the Enterprise.

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Firefly is like Star Trek gone totally wrong somewhere.

Yeah. Because resisting the growth of the state by becoming self-sufficient is a horrible thing.

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the crew is frankenstein and the future described is among the worst things I ever saw

Except Star Trek. :P

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China and USA merge into The Tyrannical Alliance?

Actually, according to Joss, China and the USA became the predominant CULTURES which is why garb and language are used. The actual "tyrannical Alliance" was the full extension of corporate fascism via Blue Sun. Blue Sun, incidentally, was formed by the merger of Microsoft and PepsiCo. There's way too much backstory...

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Yet humanity is supposedly evolved enough to have technologies that got them so far deep into space?

Like that super-advanced technology that people today can only DREAM of? That magical medium of exchange in which one can trade and procure goods and services? You mean... some futuristic society had invented... MONEY? Oh...snap... no... Star Trek HAS no money. That's right... Great civilizations and technological advancement ALWAYS happen in societies with no money!

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But last time I tried watching, regardless of all the stuff above, I stood through the first few episodes and was so hooked I spent an entire night watching all episodes till the end.  rofl I guess that dirty charm got to me and I still liked the whole attitude of "you're not gonna tell me how I'm gonna live my life"..

Perhaps you realized how amazingly insane it is to suspend disbelief to watch and enjoy Star Trek, yet you somehow found yourself incapable of that with Firefly. "I don't like Firefly" would have been acceptible (yet stupid... Everyone likes Firefly!) but arguing that it's bad because it's not realistic like Star Trek... he heh

I couldn't avoid this topic if I tried.
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2009, 07:22 PM NHFT »

I couldn't make it thru Firefly either, so guess you'd better smite me too, Kevin.  :P :)
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2009, 11:23 PM NHFT »

Firefly was really corny I did not like it. Even the theme song was corny.
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2009, 04:25 AM NHFT »

Sometimes "corny" is good.

Sometimes we need simple escapism.

Sometimes it's fun to be in the choir and get preached to.

But I won't smite anyone who didn't like Firefly, or Serenity, even though I loved them both.
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2009, 09:53 PM NHFT »

haven't watched firefly but I dug Serenity
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2009, 02:09 AM NHFT »

Damn it, why did I revisit this thread so late..

Kevin, I didn't say Star Trek is more realistic, just that I liked their clean bright ships better though saying Firefly is like trek gone wrong is probably quite unfair. What I like about star trek, aside from those clean ships is the focus on exploration and the usually positive attitude they have (even if it's just cheesy unrealistic utopian BS based on completely flawed premises). What I dislike is the politics, bureaucracy and socialism/fascism that the federation mildly represents and of course the fact that they assume this along with rejection of money is the basis of an advanced interstellar society.

My main beef with Firefly is that they're portraying a technologically super advanced society with a mentality of dark ages. This doesn't quite follow any more than it follows that Star Trek world is such an utopia yet they don't use money. Firefly makes the same mistake Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica and so many other scifi make. They think humanity with a coercionist mentality would survive the onslaught of such incredibly powerful technologies without destroying themselves.

In the age in which Firefly is set there either will be no fascist alliance to fight against or there will be no humans.

But anyway, yeah I did suspend disbelief with trek, though I watched most of it before becoming a voluntaryist and it's fair to do the same for Firefly. If looked at as a story relevant to the very present age only decorated with fanciful ships and gadgets, it's perfect! Please don't take this as dissing, I still think Firefly wins in terms of ideology and relevance to our times. It just took a while for it to grow on my complex, nitpicky self.

Cheers
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2009, 06:45 AM NHFT »

get a life ;D
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2009, 10:25 AM NHFT »

Firefly was really corny I did not like it. Even the theme song was corny.

Dude, just punch my mom in the face, why doncha?!

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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2009, 10:56 AM NHFT »

Please don't take this as dissing, I still think Firefly wins in terms of ideology and relevance to our times. It just took a while for it to grow on my complex, nitpicky self.

Fair enough. There's a certain amount of suspension of disbelief that's always necessary in sci-fi, though the really good writers make that much easier. Of course, if you work too hard on helping your audience suspend their disbelief, you run the risk of it getting boring and tedious.

It's a Western set in space, which is a doubly good analogy because the West was the great frontier at a time of growing tyranny. Patri Friedman described the frontier as a sort of relief valve for tyranny and is researching seasteading for the same reason. There's also the not at all subtle analogy of the South's attempt to secede, including a failed war. Ultimately they lost the fight but the tyranny was so intolerable they decided instead to escape to the skies. "You can't take the sky from me." is such a brilliant expression.
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Re: What if we're rounding ourselves up?
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2009, 11:06 AM NHFT »

After I watched the Firefly series on DVD I happened to watch an episode of Bonanza. With the exception of technology the stories were the same. I still liked Firefly.
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