Medieval Iceland: Proof Anarchocapitalism Works

[Russell Kanning]

I wanted to let you guys know I am paying attention to your discussions, but I can't be part of your planning and such right now.

[Russell Kanning]

Don't let Mike paint the rules on the side of the barn.
Long hair good ..... Ponytail better

???

I was trying to make an Animal Farm joke.

[Russell Kanning]

I must be no too good at speak inglish.

[Michael Fisher]

I wanted to let you guys know I am paying attention to your discussions, but I can't be part of your planning and such right now.

Because you're one of Them?

[Russell Kanning]

I don't recall ..... I mean that project was defunded and closed down years ago.
tuath is not currently a flag word for terrorist activity .... there is nothing to see here

[Michael Fisher]

I do not agree at this point that there is a need for money to operate a tuath. ?Even if there was, you could create another one that doesn't ask for an investment.

First we need to figure out what services we would provide today. ?We might start out with only one or two services at little or no cost, and we could go from there.

Forming a tuath is easy and we need competing tuaths, so feel free to create your own. ?We could create the Tuath of the Western Great Bay and have two members. ?You can create one or two Keene tuaths and have different people join them for different reasons.

A tuath could not provide adequate protection at this point, so there would be no cost for that. ?It could charge user fees per case for conflict arbitration services, so no money would be required from those who do not use the services.

I think the main idea is that everyone chooses their own tuath to protect them. ?The way I describe it to most people is that a tuath is true choice of who you want to associate with or "lead" you because the individual truly self-governs, whereas in a republic or democracy, you are only allowed to beg for certain associations or leaders.

It's not like a tuath is going to do much at this point anyways. ?I just feel like this is a great thing to try out.

I don't even have the faintest idea how to proceed, but I know how NOT to proceed because of my extreme distrust of involuntary "contracts" like governments.

tuath is not currently a flag word for terrorist activity .... there is nothing to see here

It could be someday soon.     The government will give us the guillotine for this.   

[AlanM]

Tuath. Truath is gaelic for truth.

[Lex]

What happens if a tuath rips me off?

For example: I join a tuath. I invest my money. I sign an agreement saying that if I leave the tuath I get my investment back. A year later I decide that there is a tuath I like more and I try to leave the current one. They violate their own agreement and refuse to give me back my investment. They also refuse to cooperate with other tuaths for arbitration purposes.

Am I shit out of luck? (i'm not implying anything by that question, if that's really what happens than so be it, just wondering if there was some recourse though)

[KBCraig]

There are some porcs working on the White Mountain Land club, which will be a cooperative purchase of sorts. They've gotten properly incorporated and are checking on land to buy (a large plot), and land will be apportioned by the amount invested. One acre minimum, I think. It will be a non-traditional development, with alternative energy and shared space.

I haven't paid too much attention to the details, since I can't afford to buy in, and I have no assurance that I can move wherever they finally choose. They have a yahoo group, too.

Kevin

[Lex]

There are some porcs working on the White Mountain Land club, which will be a cooperative purchase of sorts. They've gotten properly incorporated and are checking on land to buy (a large plot), and land will be apportioned by the amount invested. One acre minimum, I think. It will be a non-traditional development, with alternative energy and shared space.

I haven't paid too much attention to the details, since I can't afford to buy in, and I have no assurance that I can move wherever they finally choose. They have a yahoo group, too.

As long as they aren't Georgists or some other evil thing like that...

[KBCraig]

As long as they aren't Georgists or some other evil thing like that...

I definitely don't get that vibe. More like Galtists. 

[Dreepa]

Am I shit out of luck?

Nah.. that is when we go crack some skulls

[AlanM]

What happens if a tuath rips me off?

For example: I join a tuath. I invest my money. I sign an agreement saying that if I leave the tuath I get my investment back. A year later I decide that there is a tuath I like more and I try to leave the current one. They violate their own agreement and refuse to give me back my investment. They also refuse to cooperate with other tuaths for arbitration purposes.

Am I shit out of luck? (i'm not implying anything by that question, if that's really what happens than so be it, just wondering if there was some recourse though)

It is a possibility, but if the tuath were to deny payment then the other tuaths would ostracize them. Also, all the members of that tuath would be automatically guilty of fraud, as it is organized under the unanimous consent rule.
A tuath should have an independent arbitration process. In fact, if there is more than one one tuath, an arbitration entity should be independent of all of them, as in Ireland with the brehon. Getting there from here, is the difficulty.

[AlanM]

So, what's the next step?

Two things, I think.
1. Get together with interested folk to design a tuath.
2. Start preparing an arbitration group.

[AlanM]

Meeting at Shorty Dawkins Cafe.

Love the sound of that name.