You're not going to get laid. Inspired by Rogers Libertain Flash thread.

[muni]

Right on target, Kate.

Marshall Fritz formed the 'Advocated for Self Government' in the '80s to address exactly that - how to sell Liberty to other people. They have a bi-weekly newsletter with a column by Michael Cloud that also talks about it.

We are a revolutionary movement, and revolutionary movements quite often attract people from the margin. It's easier for them to pack and move - the socially acceptable people have friends, jobs, activities etc that make it more difficult to leave it behind and move to NH. It comes with the territory.

[Friday]

We are a revolutionary movement, and revolutionary movements quite often attract people from the margin. It's easier for them to pack and move - the socially acceptable people have friends, jobs, activities etc that make it more difficult to leave it behind and move to NH. It comes with the territory.

I get your point, but I have to say I've heard this sort of remark before and it bugs the @#$% out of me.  So condescending and dismissive of the hundreds of Free State Project participants who DO have family, friends, jobs, schools, ties to their local area, and were/are willing to go balls-to-the-wall all-out for liberty by relocating their households to New Hampshire from all over the U.S. (and, in some cases, other countries).  And I assure you, there is not a higher density of freaks per capita in New Hampshire than there was back in the San Francisco Bay Area.

[thinkliberty]

We are a revolutionary movement, and revolutionary movements quite often attract people from the margin. It's easier for them to pack and move - the socially acceptable people have friends, jobs, activities etc that make it more difficult to leave it behind and move to NH. It comes with the territory.

I think you are trying to create a scapegoat.

People don't move to NH to have NO friends, and No job. Why would someone do that?

If you know someone that has moved to NH for the purpose of having NO friends, NO Job and did not leave anything behind, you should name names.

Socially acceptable people don't go around creating scapegoats. Social acceptable help socially awkward people fit in better.

Socially acceptable people don't post the tripe that rocketman came here and posted for example:

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19266.msg309682#msg309682
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19264.msg309674#msg309674

The "work in the system" people are the only FSPers that I have seen exhibiting socially unacceptable behavior.

[Tom Sawyer]

Poor social skills aren't a monopoly of any particular group...

As well, the "grouping" of people leaves me out... I don't fit those molds.

Some folks seem to want to take a la carte the parts of a belief system that suit their purpose. Individualist, can just be a "don't tell me what to do" "contrarian"... that is not enough to make someone an ally. They can yell freedom all day... if they don't believe in responsibility... I am not interested in them. Just being against the "authorities" is not enough either. Until I know what they stand for I am not interested.

A stage and spotlights were created by hard work and sacrifice... any attention seeking person that blows into town, jumps up on stage, doesn't deserve support.

[ny2nh]

I'll say the same thing that someone decided to delete, as close as I can replicate it: Tammy is a perfect example of someone who can't seem to engage in even basic human decency towards others.  She epitomizes the complaints that Kate made in the initial post.

Joe

Actually, Joe, my social skills are just fine. And my human decency is just fine as well. I just happen to not want anything to do with you. You just happen to have a problem with me.

I don't expect people to come to my defense - but I am confident that there are plenty of freestaters and anarchists and minarchists and statists and whateverists who like me, get along just fine with me, and know me to be a good person. They're probably people that I actually might care what they think of me. You, Joe, I could care less what you think of me. You're disdain for me and the need to continually attempt to smear me has only made it easier for me for make friends and influence people. If I didn't think so little of you, I'd probably feel the need to thank you.

I'll think of you when celebrating this Thanksgiving weekend with many of these folks.....between delivering Thanksgiving dinners to some Manchester families in need and going for Thanksgiving dinner at Kate & Alec's tomorrow.

And Sovereign Curtis - do I even know you for you to dislike me so much? I missed the posts but heard the gist of them. Maybe you're just basing it on what a small handful of sad souls have told you. You were at Murphy's last week I think - did I look at you cross eyed or something?

[thinkliberty]

A stage and spotlights were created by hard work and sacrifice... any attention seeking person that blows into town, jumps up on stage, doesn't deserve support.

We would not want another Sam, Lauren, Russell, Kurt, Andrew etc... moving to NH and jumping up on "the stage" would we?

Those activists are just attention whores, aren't they?

Who does not believe in responsibility? Lets name names.  I don't see anyone on any of the NH liberty forums saying they don't believe in responsibility or arguing against responsibility.

Any person that blows in to town is innocent in my eyes. I don't think we need people to prove their innocents or worthiness. If they are guilty of something, then they don't deserve support, but not until they do something stupid like Ryan Marvin for example. 

[ny2nh]

I've detested Tammy since long before I'd even heard of Ivy.

Phew - and I thought this was a one-sided relationship. 

[ny2nh]

You know, Seth, this reputation indicator you talk about seems to have already been implemented here on NHUnderground. I speak specifically of the "karma". I have a pretty neutral karma. The "lady" I was speaking of has a VERY NEGATIVE "karma". And, of coarse, I'm no where near the first to call her out on her bullshit.

Was it the specific words I chose? Or was it me pointing out that she's the pot calling the kettle black?

List 'em boy.....who's "called me out"?

Let me help you......

1. Joe
2. Jeremy
3. You (even though I still don't think I know you)

next.....

[ny2nh]

And the backstabbery and general infantile behavior of Tammy and some others?  Do you have any conception of how poorly that sort of behavior is viewed, around here?  When folks talk about "selling" locals on the FSP, that's like having your "salesman" show up drunk, unshowered, and cursing out the customers.

Whose back have I stabbed? Seriously - you say I'm a backstabber - go at it - name names. You sure have me curious.

[Tom Sawyer]

ThinkLib dude... The reference to groups was the only part that was even a little directed towards your post.

I was there and with the examples you list... Being careful who I and my clan aligns with is very important to me.

Behavior is the issue at stake here... a pissing contest that allows folks to attempt to argue away bad behavior I'm not interested in.

Statements and behavior I personally experienced that were negative (just a few)...

"I will be at the barricades throwing Molotov cocktails..."  This was the first conversation I had with the person... agent provocateur, nut, poor judgement... I don't know.

"Hey, take a picture of me spitting on this cop car."  Ah, maybe your shouldn't be drunk, carrying and now expressing a tone that is counter productive.

If we don't hold a standard of behavior for our "allies" we don't have any business giving the cops grief.

[MaineShark]

Actually, Joe, my social skills are just fine.

Sure, they are.  Because hypocrisy, backstabbing, stalking, and the like are just such winning personality traits.

And my human decency is just fine as well.

What human decency?  You'd have to attain humanity, first...

I just happen to not want anything to do with you. You just happen to have a problem with me.

Says someone who has repeatedly trespassed on my property.

I don't expect people to come to my defense - but I am confident that there are plenty of freestaters and anarchists and minarchists and statists and whateverists who like me, get along just fine with me, and know me to be a good person. They're probably people that I actually might care what they think of me. You, Joe, I could care less what you think of me. You're disdain for me and the need to continually attempt to smear me has only made it easier for me for make friends and influence people. If I didn't think so little of you, I'd probably feel the need to thank you.

Recycling what I've said to you is rather pedantic, is it not?  You could at least attempt to be original, eh?

...right after I deliver Thanksgiving dinners to some Manchester families in need tomorrow.

You want a medal or something?  Most of us do things like that without bothering to try and brag about it on the Internet, like it's something worthy or commendation.  Helping others (when done out of concern for their welfare) is just basic human decency.  Helping others for the purposes of bragging about it is nothing but self-aggrandizement.  It's the sort of nonsense that real Yankees detest about you, and those like you.

You know, Seth, this reputation indicator you talk about seems to have already been implemented here on NHUnderground. I speak specifically of the "karma". I have a pretty neutral karma. The "lady" I was speaking of has a VERY NEGATIVE "karma". And, of coarse, I'm no where near the first to call her out on her bullshit.

Was it the specific words I chose? Or was it me pointing out that she's the pot calling the kettle black?

List 'em boy.....who's "called me out"?

Let me help you......

1. Joe
2. Jeremy
3. You (even though I still don't think I know you)

next.....

Dozens of others all throughout New Hampshire, who've seen through you for years.  Based upon the fact that I am so public in my opinion of you, folks come out of the woodwork to tell me about things you've done over the years.  You've been trying to backstab others for so long that it's a running joke.  Your condemnation is generally seen as a feather in one's cap, 'round here.

I've been told, "I don't know you, but if Tammy hates you that much, you must be a good guy" on several occasions, by folks I didn't even know.  I'm talking about folks literally coming up to me in bars, or while walking down the street in Manchester.

Joe

[ny2nh]

I'm with Curtis, Tammy has shown herself a very hateful individual most especially in regards to other women.  Seth you can't help but know she is an asshole online.

Really? Which other women have I been hateful toward? Kate M? Kate R? Beth? Rochelle? Sandy Pierre? Kat Kanning?

And, yes, I can be an asshole online....I know that....but I usually just chalk it up to the company there.

[ny2nh]

It's also a poorly kept secret that certain individuals smite certain other individuals every time they log in.

Shocking. 

[ny2nh]

Says someone who has repeatedly trespassed on my property.

Oh, this I gotta hear....

[ny2nh]

Dozens of others all throughout New Hampshire, who've seen through you for years.  Based upon the fact that I am so public in my opinion of you, folks come out of the woodwork to tell me about things you've done over the years.  You've been trying to backstab others for so long that it's a running joke.  Your condemnation is generally seen as a feather in one's cap, 'round here.

I've been told, "I don't know you, but if Tammy hates you that much, you must be a good guy" on several occasions, by folks I didn't even know.  I'm talking about folks literally coming up to me in bars, or while walking down the street in Manchester.

Oh, that must be a site - random people walking up to Joe Brown on the street in Manchester to say bad things about me. Seriously, you really want people to believe that people just walk up to you on the street. ha ha ha ha