The Georgists

[Kat Kanning]

Did you attend a public school, Cotton?

[Dreepa]

Also if either the Sctosman or Cherokee finds and use unfound unsed land if he uses it he owes no one anything, he is the first homesteader.

I don't understand how that is different from what we have been saying all along?

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? ?Well I'm sure some one brought that point up but I'm not sure if any brought up my other points because I have not read all 20 pages. Still I wonder how much land in the US can be traced all the way back to the first homesteader or traced back as far as it can be traced without that land being taking over by force by the government or titled to others who took it by force. I think it is probally a small percentage in most states and that is one big problem in standing to much on government property titles.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? Also what about all the home loans backed by the federal government should people have to pay them back?

Cotton,

Do you like Pepperidge Farms?
Because you can't get there from here.

So do you just say we all chuck our land in a big pot and redistribute it?  Where are you living 1920s Russia?

[Cotton]

Did you attend a public school, Cotton?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Yeah that is about all I did at School, unless I was getting in trouble. My learning on most subjects came out of school but I ?nver did pick up much on grammer, commas etc. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? I admit I have a big problem with the my writting. Still I usually find most people can ciper what I write and it is usely only those who have no logical rebuttal to make or no good points to add to my good points . Hey it is not just when I write, I notice it when others write good points but make errors in spelling etc or ?when ?others use bad grammer in speaking it is usually those who are losing the argument who brings up the error as a distraction. Take Tracy, it is usually those losing the argument against his points or the idiots who bring up his spelling errors. ? ? ? ? ? ?
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? ?Of course some people are honestly trying to be helpful  and others have an obession about perfection like those who have to go around making sure pictures or mirrors on the wall are all level even in other people's homes.

[polyanarch]

Did you attend a public school, Cotton?

Yeah, the same one Hankster did...

[Kat Kanning]

But I could understand Hankster's English.

[polyanarch]

It's a ruse

[Cotton]

Also if either the Sctosman or Cherokee finds and use unfound unsed land if he uses it he owes no one anything, he is the first homesteader.

I don't understand how that is different from what we have been saying all along?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?Well I'm sure some one brought that point up but I'm not sure if any brought up my other points because I have not read all 20 pages. Still I wonder how much land in the US can be traced all the way back to the first homesteader or traced back as far as it can be traced without that land being taking over by force by the government or titled to others who took it by force. I think it is probally a small percentage in most states and that is one big problem in standing to much on government property titles.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? Also what about all the home loans backed by the federal government should people have to pay them back?

Cotton,

Do you like Pepperidge Farms?
Because you can't get there from here.

So do you just say we all chuck our land in a big pot and redistribute it?? Where are you living 1920s Russia?

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Oh where ?did you get that from what I wrote shee? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?Yeah people can get there from here. Will everyone? I don't know, maybe not. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? I know on the FSP you said government debt should be payed but how is that libertarian why should someone be forced to pay an extortionist, the government? Any private ?debt held by private/ government debt instruments like Fannie Mae notes can be claimed by the private individuals who bought the government gurantee notes can be presented to a jury if the homeowner refuses to pay. ? In a post state world there is a ?more than a slight chance ?government debt and government backed debt instruments will not be payed  and many ?titles titled by government especially to large corporate abinstee land owners will not be honored, most especially those with a large ?government connection. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?The issues will not go away because people wish they would that is for sure

[tracysaboe]

Did you attend a public school, Cotton?

Yeah that is about all I did at School, unless I was getting in trouble. My learning on most subjects came out of school but I  nver did pick up much on grammer, commas etc.                                                                               
   I admit I have a big problem with the my writting. Still I usually find most people can ciper what I write and it is usely only those who have no logical rebuttal to make or no good points to add to my good points . Hey it is not just when I write, I notice it when others write good points but make errors in spelling etc or  when  others use bad grammer in speaking it is usually those who are losing the argument who brings up the error as a distraction. Take Tracy, it is usually those losing the argument against his points or the idiots who bring up his spelling errors.           
 
    Of course some people are honestly trying to be helpful  and others have an obession about perfection like those who have to go around making sure pictures or mirrors on the wall are all level even in other people's homes.

Thank you for your kind words Cotton.

You get a plus!

Tracy

[Cotton]

But I could understand Hankster's English.

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? ? ?Ok what part did you not get? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? It appears one or two on this board understand most of what I write because they respond on my points. ? ? ? ? ?
? ? Plus ?several respond on the FSP board when I have posted under the name Terry 1956, Libertyworker and CPridgerunner. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
In fact Kat I think you have responded a time or two ?to my post on the FSP board as if you clearly understood but I could be wrong. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? In fact just about everyone who has posted on this thread has responded to my post on the FSP board as if they understood what I was written. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?Well maybe you ?can't actually read my post, then assume I'm not writting them to you.

[Cotton]

Did you attend a public school, Cotton?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Yeah that is about all I did at School, unless I was getting in trouble. My learning on most subjects came out of school but I? nver did pick up much on grammer, commas etc.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?I admit I have a big problem with the my writting. Still I usually find most people can ciper what I write and it is usely only those who have no logical rebuttal to make or no good points to add to my good points . Hey it is not just when I write, I notice it when others write good points but make errors in spelling etc or? when? others use bad grammer in speaking it is usually those who are losing the argument who brings up the error as a distraction. Take Tracy, it is usually those losing the argument against his points or the idiots who bring up his spelling errors.? ? ? ? ? ?
?
? ? Of course some people are honestly trying to be helpful? and others have an obession about perfection like those who have to go around making sure pictures or mirrors on the wall are all level even in other people's homes.

Thank you for your kind words Cotton.

You get a plus!

Tracy

Tracy your welcome, you usually make logical points and your writting skills are much better than mine.                                   
  I'm actually doing a lot better than when I first got on the computer my teenage nephews had to show this 40 something how to use a mouse.                                                                                                                                                   
        Terry Burgess,. Aka Cottondrop, Terry 1956, Liberty Worker and CP Ridge Runner. Cotton Port Ridge, Decatur, Tennessee.

[Lex]

Maybe it would be easier to understand you if we take the question/answer approach:

Do you think that owning of property should be absolute? Meaning if you purchased from the original owner or found and homesteaded land than you should have complete authority over this land and that there should be no legal (ie, Eminent Domain) way to take this land away?

[tracysaboe]

Did you attend a public school, Cotton?

Yeah that is about all I did at School, unless I was getting in trouble. My learning on most subjects came out of school but I  nver did pick up much on grammer, commas etc.                                                                               
   I admit I have a big problem with the my writting. Still I usually find most people can ciper what I write and it is usely only those who have no logical rebuttal to make or no good points to add to my good points . Hey it is not just when I write, I notice it when others write good points but make errors in spelling etc or  when  others use bad grammer in speaking it is usually those who are losing the argument who brings up the error as a distraction. Take Tracy, it is usually those losing the argument against his points or the idiots who bring up his spelling errors.           
 
    Of course some people are honestly trying to be helpful  and others have an obession about perfection like those who have to go around making sure pictures or mirrors on the wall are all level even in other people's homes.

Thank you for your kind words Cotton.

You get a plus!

Tracy

Tracy your welcome, you usually make logical points and your writting skills are much better than mine.                                   
  I'm actually doing a lot better than when I first got on the computer my teenage nephews had to show this 40 something how to use a mouse.                                                                                                                                                   
        Terry Burgess,. Aka Cottondrop, Terry 1956, Liberty Worker and CP Ridge Runner. Cotton Port Ridge, Decatur, Tennessee.

Yup, I remember Terry 1956.

You were sort-of one of those georgists if I remember correctly, but at least you didn't use the same tired arguments over and over and you didn't side-step objections like BillG(not Gate) aka GreenBacks AKA Hanster did. you also didn't hijack threads all the time, and you also had other things you worked on besides Georgism (unlike Bill, in which his only political activism consisted of trying to convince people that these land taxes were good and noble, and didn't do anything about the stuff we agreed on). You also didn't believe in the whole redistribution system. You just thought that land taxes were the "most fair," and that if you had to have taxes, they were the proper way to go.

That about right?

That's if I remember you properly.

BTW, if you remember a couple years ago, compaired to now, my spelling is a lot better on these forums then it was back then.  That was one thing both Leopard AKA "Mike the Printer" and Herself commented on, when they came back to the forums after being gone for a long time.

So you'll get better over time too.

Tracy

[Cotton]

Did you attend a public school, Cotton?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Yeah that is about all I did at School, unless I was getting in trouble. My learning on most subjects came out of school but I? nver did pick up much on grammer, commas etc.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ?I admit I have a big problem with the my writting. Still I usually find most people can ciper what I write and it is usely only those who have no logical rebuttal to make or no good points to add to my good points . Hey it is not just when I write, I notice it when others write good points but make errors in spelling etc or? when? others use bad grammer in speaking it is usually those who are losing the argument who brings up the error as a distraction. Take Tracy, it is usually those losing the argument against his points or the idiots who bring up his spelling errors.? ? ? ? ? ?
?
? ? Of course some people are honestly trying to be helpful? and others have an obession about perfection like those who have to go around making sure pictures or mirrors on the wall are all level even in other people's homes.

Thank you for your kind words Cotton.

You get a plus!

Tracy

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Tracy your welcome, you usually make logical points and your writting skills are much better than mine.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? I'm actually doing a lot better than when I first got on the computer my teenage nephews had to show this 40 something how to use a mouse.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? Terry Burgess,. Aka Cottondrop, Terry 1956, Liberty Worker and CP Ridge Runner. Cotton Port Ridge, Decatur, Tennessee.

Yup, I remember Terry 1956.

You were sort-of one of those georgists if I remember correctly, but at least you didn't use the same tired arguments over and over and you didn't side-step objections like BillG(not Gate) aka GreenBacks AKA Hanster did. you also didn't hijack threads all the time, and you also had other things you worked on besides Georgism (unlike Bill, in which his only political activism consisted of trying to convince people that these land taxes were good and noble, and didn't do anything about the stuff we agreed on). You also didn't believe in the whole redistribution system. You just thought that land taxes were the "most fair," and that if you had to have taxes, they were the proper way to go.

That about right?

That's if I remember you properly.

Tracy

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LOL, na look back at my posts and under liberty worker and my present name CP Ridge Runner, I never was a Georgist and I'm not now.? ?I guess the best title that would suit my ideas on land is Rothbardian Lockian. I'm just trying to get across to a lot of libertarians that property titles in many cases may be useless in a true libertarian society or in a post state world that might not be altogether libertarian.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ?Actually I think a post state America of a variety of small to medium enclaves and burclaves( libertarian burclaves, socialist, mutualist, neocons, plaeocons, Georgist/Greens ChristianI dentity, Apolitical and a variety of others) is a lot more likely to happen when the central government fails.                                                                                                                             
  My point was at first that if there must be taxes than I much perfered a sales tax, although with a land tax I would come out much, much better. I was and still am worrired about the little old poor widow woman who could not afford the land tax.     
   Today if all the economic land rent was taxed it would be around 7% of the unimproved land value. I know poor widow women wiith 40 to 100 acres  in my county that would be paying 70,000 dollar plus a year at that rate on an income of 9,000 a year or less.                                                                                                                                                                               
  If there is got to be a property tax I would perfer it be a LVT but either way the property tax needs to allow for a reduction based on a percentage of income if the property owner wants to apply for the reduction.                               
    For example, say a person has farmland worth 500,000 dollars and the  LVT rate is 6% the tax would be 30,000 dollars, but his income is only 60,000 dollars and he can apply for a reduction to 5% of his income, he would pay 3,000 dollars instead of 30,000 dollars.   I bet there is people now in New Hampshire and Maine now paying 20% of their income or more on property tax, its a total shame.                                                                                                                                                                       
  Personally I perfer user fees, a town, or land  claim defense club could sell title gurantees, defense services, and possibly other services in exchange for  a fee on the land rental value, lien notes on the unimproved land value could be offered for those who could not afford the fee or perfered not to pay out the cash every year. The land  claim defense club or the town could take a percentage for operational expense and give the members or adult citizens ( if its a town) an annual dividend.   No resident land owner would be required to  use the title defense service but in many places it probally would be worth it.                         

[Cotton]

Maybe it would be easier to understand you if we take the question/answer approach:

Do you think that owning of property should be absolute? Meaning if you purchased from the original owner or found and homesteaded land than you should have complete authority over this land and that there should be no legal (ie, Eminent Domain) way to take this land away?

Yes but occupation and posseion is nine tents of the law. If someone makes a claim on the land that another is using they have to prove their claim before a jury. As I point out to Bill or the Hankter any debt claim must also be proven in court before a jury if the one in posseion wants a jury hearing.                                                                                                     
      This is true with land, cars, trucks, boats, TVs, Computers, Easy Chairs, watches or  boar hogs, posseion is nine tents of the law.

[Lex]

Maybe it would be easier to understand you if we take the question/answer approach:

Do you think that owning of property should be absolute? Meaning if you purchased from the original owner or found and homesteaded land than you should have complete authority over this land and that there should be no legal (ie, Eminent Domain) way to take this land away?

Yes but occupation and posseion is nine tents of the law. If someone makes a claim on the land that another is using they have to prove their claim before a jury. As I point out to Bill or the Hankter any debt claim must also be proven in court before a jury if the one in posseion wants a jury hearing.                                                                                                     
      This is true with land, cars, trucks, boats, TVs, Computers, Easy Chairs, watches or  boar hogs, posseion is nine tents of the law.

Please explain what you mean by "nine tents of the law"?