The Georgists

[polyanarch]

Can someone please point me to a picture of this Hankster guy?  Has he ever been to a Pork-fest?  Or at least point him out to me the next time he is?  This should save me from wasting any time with him F2F IRL.

[Kat Kanning]

You can't miss him face to face.  It's what he talks about in person, too. 

[polyanarch]

You can't miss him face to face.  It's what he talks about in person, too. 

THAT'S what I'm trying to avoid!

[BillG]

You can't miss him face to face.  It's what he talks about in person, too. 

THAT'S what I'm trying to avoid!

poly poly - wanna cracker?

[Kat Kanning]

I've only run into him once in a year+...so you probably don't need to worry about it.

[Kat Kanning]

You can't miss him face to face.  It's what he talks about in person, too. 

THAT'S what I'm trying to avoid!

poly poly - wanna cracker?

Well, maybe you do.  I think he's hitting on you.

[Pat McCotter]

...
wealth requires labor - where is the landowner's labor?
...

Land is a store of the labor of the landowner. His previous labor created the wealth he used to store in the land he purchased.

[BillG]

...
wealth requires labor - where is the landowner's labor?
...

Land is a store of the labor of the landowner. His previous labor created the wealth he used to store in the land he purchased.

and where did the unimproved land values of the land he purchased come from?

in other words - the price he paid for the land he purchased acts as an involuntary tax on his wages...

if we had a pure economic rent sharing scenario there would be no purchase price to land and no economic advantage or disadvantage to anywhere you decided to locate.

[ladyattis]

So you support socialism? Mmmmmm interesting. Sorry, it doesn't work, that's why Japan abandoned it.

-- Bridget

[Pat McCotter]

...
wealth requires labor - where is the landowner's labor?
...

Land is a store of the labor of the landowner. His previous labor created the wealth he used to store in the land he purchased.

and where did the unimproved land values of the land he purchased come from?

in other words - the price he paid for the land he purchased acts as an involuntary tax on his wages...

if we had a pure economic rent sharing scenario there would be no purchase price to land and no economic advantage or disadvantage to anywhere you decided to locate.

You know what, Hankster? I learned how to parse sentences in grade school. I am not able to apply that knowledge to your missives.

[BillG]

So you support socialism? Mmmmmm interesting. Sorry, it doesn't work, that's why Japan abandoned it.

-- Bridget

what is your definition of "socialism" so I can make the claim once again that you are making a staw(o)man argument?

[BillG]

Land is a store of the labor of the landowner. His previous labor created the wealth he used to store in the land he purchased.

I learned how to parse sentences in grade school. I am not able to apply that knowledge to your missives.

let's try it again then - shall we?

since I am talking about unimproved land value after purchase - what wealth and labor are you referring to?

[ladyattis]

So you support socialism? Mmmmmm interesting. Sorry, it doesn't work, that's why Japan abandoned it.

-- Bridget

what is your definition of "socialism" so I can make the claim once again that you are making a staw(o)man argument?

No... Here's the definition of a strawman argument, jackass...

The straw-man rhetorical technique is the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents actually offer. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to your opponent.

One can set up a straw man in several different ways:

   1. Present the opponent's argument in weakened form, refute it, and pretend that the original has been refuted.
   2. Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
   3. Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
   4. Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticised, and pretend that the person represents a group that the speaker is critical of.

Your argument is prefaced on the Georgist Geo-Libertarian fallacy that land is collectively owned. Collective ownership is the hallmark of Socialism, thus you are a socialist by sharing the principle premise of collective ownership.

NOW...STFU BEFORE I REALLY POST SOME REFUTATIONS TO GEORGIST GEO-LIBERTARIANISM.

-- Bridget

[ladyattis]

http://www.mises.org/rothbard/georgism.pdf <-- Rothbard's critique of Georgism.

-- Bridget

[BillG]

Your argument is prefaced on the Georgist Geo-Libertarian fallacy that land is collectively owned

straw(o)man argument...

geo-libertarianism is based on the individual's rights of use, possession, exclusion, transferability of land AND the common ownership of economic rent (the return on land) which is socially created.

common rights are individual rights the OPPOSITE of collective rights which are group rights.

similiarly free speech is a common right