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You're not getting laid in NH, because it's a crime

Started by thinkliberty, December 13, 2009, 01:37 PM NHFT

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thinkliberty

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hLh4LMvrAxVSrpB_SkBu2XdjJETQD9CIJKTO0

QuoteAdultery still crime in NH after 200 years
By NORMA LOVE (AP)
CONCORD, N.H. — The original punishments — including standing on the gallows for an hour with a noose around the neck — have been softened to a $1,200 fine, yet some lawmakers think it's time the 200-year-old crime of adultery to come off New Hampshire's books.
Seven months after the state approved gay marriage, lawmakers will consider easing government further from the bedroom with a bill to repeal the law.
"We shouldn't be regulating people's sex lives and their love lives," state Rep. Timothy Horrigan said. "This is one area the state government should stay out of people's bedrooms."
Horrigan, D-Durham, and state Rep. Carol McGuire, R-Epsom, have teamed up on legislation to repeal the law.
Horrigan signed on because he believes it continues New Hampshire's efforts toward marriage equality. In June, lawmakers voted to legalize gay marriage — a law that takes effect Jan. 1.
"We shouldn't be in the business of regulating what consenting adults do with each other," Horrigan said.
Convicted adulterers years ago faced standing on the gallows, up to 39 lashes, a year in jail or a fine of 100 pounds. The punishment has been relaxed to a misdemeanor and a fine of up to $1,200 — with no jail time.
Law Professor Jeff Atkinson of DePaul University College of Law in Chicago says states rarely — if ever — enforce criminal adultery laws. Atkinson, author of the American Bar Association's Guide to Marriage, Divorce & Families, attributed that to a 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Lawrence v. Texas. In its decision, the high court found that the state had no legitimate interest justifying its intrusion into the personal and private lives of two gay men arrested in their bedroom during a police investigation in a weapons case. The men had been charged with sodomy.
Atkinson said the case applies to adultery because both involve private sexual conduct.
Some recently questioned whether South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's admitted extramarital affair with a woman in Argentina made him subject to his state's 1880 criminal law against adultery. The penalty is a fine of up to $500 and a year in jail. The state said it couldn't waste limited money trying to prosecute Sanford on such a charge. The law's constitutionality also has been questioned.
The last attempts to repeal New Hampshire's law came after a Merrimack husband filed a complaint against his wife and her boss in 1987. When police refused to pursue adultery charges, Robert Stackelback brought the complaint himself against the pair. He later dropped the charges.
That prompted repeal efforts in 1987 and 1989. Both times the House voted for repeal, but the Senate did not. An attempt in 1992 to reduce the penalty to a violation also passed the House, but died in the Senate.
House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Chairman Stephen Shurtleff's committee will hear the latest bill, probably next month. Shurtleff, D-Concord, predicts — barring a compelling reason to keep the law — his committee will support repealing the law since it isn't being enforced.
In the past, conservatives argued decriminalizing adultery would weaken marriage.
Kevin Smith, executive director of the conservative Cornerstone Policy Research, opposes this repeal effort for the same reason.
"Even though this criminal law probably is not enforced right now and probably has not been enforced for some time, I think it's important to have a public policy statement that says generally or in all situations adultery is not a good thing. And I think, by repealing that statute, you're essentially diminishing the harmful effects of adultery," said Smith.
McGuire, the prime sponsor, believes the moral battle over adultery should be fought under the state's civil divorce laws. The bill would leave adultery as a cause in divorces not filed under the no-fault provision of the statute.
But Smith says leaving the criminal law on the books may give the harmed spouse more leverage in winning a settlement in divorce court.
Atkinson points out that New Hampshire's divorce law already allows judges to account for substantial harm done by an adulterer in determining a financial settlement and alimony.
Horrigan doesn't think a small fine will stop anyone from cheating on a spouse. He also wouldn't oppose taking adultery out of the civil divorce statute as a cause for the breakdown.
"Who we love and how we love is not something, an area the state has much business meddling in," he said.

thinkliberty

In other words:

Those people that believe people need to "work inside the system" need to change the law before they can get laid.

The anarchist and civil disobedience crowd can still get laid.   >:D

Sam A. Robrin

Why aren't the cops out there assiduously enforcing this?  It is the law!

Jim Johnson

They could start with the married Winchester police officer that was regularly having the Manager at Mr. Mike's in front of the store's security camera.

Ogre

I love the way they can actually claim with a straight face, "We shouldn't be in the business of regulating what consenting adults do with each other," but at the same time pass a law regulating marriage and deciding who can get married with the state's permission.

Tom Sawyer

Well I think I might have found the Civil Disobedience for me... but honey, it's my sacrifice for FREEDOM!

porcupine kate

Quote from: Tom Sawyer on December 13, 2009, 06:04 PM NHFT
Well I think I might have found the Civil Disobedience for me... but honey, it's my sacrifice for FREEDOM!
:P

Some how that might not work out to well for you.

porcupine kate

Quote from: thinkliberty on December 13, 2009, 01:43 PM NHFT
In other words:

Those people that believe people need to "work inside the system" need to change the law before they can get laid.

The anarchist and civil disobedience crowd can still get laid.   >:D

How will this stop the thugs from using this law or any one of their laws against you.
Just because you want out of the system doesn't mean the government will let you.(I wish it was that easy.)
The system isn't just going to let you go in peace and unharmed.

Jim Johnson

Quote from: porcupine kate on December 13, 2009, 07:02 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on December 13, 2009, 06:04 PM NHFT
Well I think I might have found the Civil Disobedience for me... but honey, it's my sacrifice for FREEDOM!
:P

Some how that might not work out to well for you.

Kat helped Mike Fisher with his Civil Disobedience... just say'n...

thinkliberty

Quote from: porcupine kate on December 13, 2009, 07:08 PM NHFT
How will this stop the thugs from using this law or any one of their laws against you.
Just because you want out of the system doesn't mean the government will let you.(I wish it was that easy.)
The system isn't just going to let you go in peace and unharmed.

Thugs don't care about the law, they'll use the law against you if they can, if they can't they'll make something up. -- They are thugs.

Just because you want to work in the system doesn't mean the government will let you. (I wish working with thugs was that easy.)

Your system isn't just going to let you go in peace and unharmed, but you'll continue to support it and work with in it for reasons that I do not understand. 

Julius Ray Hoffman


the ban is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

If somebody were chared with adultery, it would be thrown out in court. That's why nobody is charged.

A very similar issue arose last year with the production of PORN:

http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/porn-production-protected-in-the-live-free-or-die-state/

Now that I've posted this, please... don't get your little libertarian minds going and start thinking about starting a porn business! I'm moving to NH, and am going to be doing this, and you ought to give me first crack (hehe) at your New England hotties first!


K. Darien Freeheart

The perfect chance to get some poly Civil Disobedience going... w00t!

porcupine kate

Quote from: Jim Johnson on December 13, 2009, 07:26 PM NHFT
Quote from: porcupine kate on December 13, 2009, 07:02 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on December 13, 2009, 06:04 PM NHFT
Well I think I might have found the Civil Disobedience for me... but honey, it's my sacrifice for FREEDOM!
:P

Some how that might not work out to well for you.

Kat helped Mike Fisher with his Civil Disobedience... just say'n...

OK.
I won't stop anyone.   
I may choose not to talk to you if you a break your contract to do it.

I don't want to see the Ridley report on it either.   :Bolt:

K. Darien Freeheart

There are undercurrents in this thread I don't get. And I feel bad for WANTING to get, but I still do.