Poly

[Sovereign Curtis]

But I wonder if I'm in the minority because I see so few people that can support my views in this way -- most simply call me a bigot and homophobe because I won't go out and lobby for gay marriage.

He specifically said he would defend your right to do something he thinks is wrong.

He specifically said he would not lobby for someone's right to gay marriage. He thinks it's wrong.

He won't speak up for a politically expendable group of people being picked on by political bullies.

Anyone being picked on by the state is an easy convert to liberty, unless you ignore that their rights are being violated,

Dale also specifically said he wouldnt lobby the gov for the Right to marry a man. Is Dale not standing up for his own Rights? No. He feels that asking government permission for something that is none of government's business is counter productive.

[Kat Kanning]

How is having a state sanctioned marriage a "right"?

[shyfrog]

How is having a state sanctioned marriage a "right"?

It's not 
It's permission
Who needs permission from the government?

[Kat Kanning]

Just so.

[thinkliberty]

How is having a state sanctioned marriage a "right"?

I think gay people have the right to collect money back from the federal and state government that their spouses were forced to pay in to after their spouse has died.  Things like social security.

It would be nice to close down those government programs, but until that happens people have a right to get their money back.

Allowing some people to get their money back while others are denied is wrong.

[Lloyd Danforth]

People should be treated equally, under all the laws we can't get rid of.

[Keyser Soce]

As lifespans increase and religion continues to fade, one man one wife for life will become a forgotten thing of the past or at the very least, will be seem to be the strange lifestyle.

Most marriages already end in divorce. Of the ones that stay together, many do so for all the wrong reasons. They have too much "invested" in the relationship, they'll get screwed in the divorce, they'll look bad to their kids, family or neighbors, other guilt or they think they're too old to start over. All of these reason will continue to fall by the wayside. How many fifty year olds get divorced now? Wait till the average life span is 150 and they're thinking "Do I want to spend another century with this person?".

Why would serial monogamy be better than polygamy or simply an open relationship?

Why would anyone want their partner to have to ask permission from them in order to be intimate with someone else. This is one step removed from slavery. Oops, I mean voluntary servitude.

What type of person would say to their partner "No, you can't be intimate with anyone else. If I'm not meeting all of your emotional or physical needs, tough! I should be enough"?

It's been my experience that there are a higher percentage of people with non-traditional relationships in the FSP than in the gp, those new couples not withstanding.

p.s. Many of those couples with kids have aren't as traditional as some seem to think. Apparently a lot of that Victorian sexual frustration is released in New England basements (dungeons?).

[Sovereign Curtis]

As lifespans increase and religion continues to fade, one man one wife for life will become a forgotten thing of the past or at the very least, will be seem to be the strange lifestyle.

Most marriages already end in divorce. Of the ones that stay together, many do so for all the wrong reasons. They have too much "invested" in the relationship, they'll get screwed in the divorce, they'll look bad to their kids, family or neighbors, other guilt or they think they're too old to start over. All of these reason will continue to fall by the wayside. How many fifty year olds get divorced now? Wait till the average life span is 150 and they're thinking "Do I want to spend another century with this person?".

Why would serial monogamy be better than polygamy or simply an open relationship?

Why would anyone want their partner to have to ask permission from them in order to be intimate with someone else. This is one step removed from slavery. Oops, I mean voluntary servitude.

What type of person would say to their partner "No, you can't be intimate with anyone else. If I'm not meeting all of your emotional or physical needs, tough! I should be enough"?.

why does this read/sound like Heinlein?

[CJS]

My wife and I agreed that monogamy was unrealistic  for us though neither of us has gone outside the marriage yet .

unrealistic .... yet reality
interesting

I think you are saying " Yet really interesting "

At the risk of misunderstanding you , I have been in monogamous relationships and remained faithful . I have been physically faithful to my wife but was / am in a "emotional " relationship with a woman I wish I could also make a life long commitment to  ( my wife would love to have this lady in our family permanently and platonicly (sp?) on her end ) . This wonderful woman  feels the same way but won't go there because of what the world thinks ... I would marry her in a second .

  That being said , I have nothing against monogamy ... I  support those who continue that familial tradition completely , nothing makes me happier than seeing people happy together . I was just honest with my wife when she started talking about marriage , and surprisingly she agreed with me . We are not swingers , though that is fine for consenting adults IMO . I just am aware that I would most likely not be happy only being with my wife the rest of my life and took personal responsibility for that before we tied the knot and gave her a chance to tell me to take a hike. Too bad we are only allowed one marriage license at a time  .

I just think this is one more instance of governmental interference in our lives .Societal  bias and prejudice are the biggest obstacles to liberty in our lives than our elected overlords could ever hope to be . Sad . I don't care who you kiss , as long as you kiss often and kiss like it means something to you .
 

[Pat McCotter]

My wife and I agreed that monogamy was unrealistic  for us though neither of us has gone outside the marriage yet .

unrealistic .... yet reality
interesting

I think you are saying " Yet really interesting "

My take on Russell's post.

You talked about monogamy being unrealistic but the reality of your situation is monogamy.

The "proper" punctuation and capitalization would have been:

Unrealistic ... yet reality.
Interesting.

[Kat Kanning]

From long conversations on the subject, I'd say that Russell is most definitely not interested in poly.

[Pat McCotter]

 

[Kat Kanning]

In that, we agree. 

[Lloyd Danforth]

You and Russell o, you and Pat?

[Russell Kanning]

kat and i agree that patmc is always right