Poly

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Not my bedroom, not my business. Nuff said.

[SethCohn]

Bigamy is a felony in NH

Let's see how removing Adultery as a crime goes this year in the State House, and then perhaps some brave soul will put in a bill...

[Kat Kanning]

With the way the FSP is, it'd make more sense for one woman to have 10 or so husbands.

[porcupine kate]

With the way the FSP is, it'd make more sense for one woman to have 10 or so husbands.

It looks like a good idea.....
Till you realize that you are never going to get 10 porcupines to agree on anything.
I'll stick to just Alec.      

[Kat Kanning]

I'll stick to just Alec.      

Do you use glue?

[porcupine kate]

No glue.

Hugs.  Lots of hugs.   

[Ogre]

Ok, I'm going to go way out on a limb here and see what happens. After all, with a group of radicals like this, I can't go wrong, right? 

Here's my view, and you can let me have it:

Personally, I think any sort of family arrangement other than a man and a woman is wrong. I don't like it, I don't support it, and I don't approve of it. If, in person, I meet people who do such things, I won't hate them, I won't throw things at them, but I won't approve of the arrangement. Would I tell them they're wrong? Perhaps, but not in a judgmental or mean way. Would I try and change them? Perhaps, but again, in a loving manner.

BUT (and don't stop reading yet), I absolutely would NEVER support government trying to stop them, change them, or legislate them. Just like I want the government laws to leave them alone, I want the government laws to leave me alone. I don't think government should support and approve gay marriage, because it indirectly forces me to approve it. At the same time, I don't think government should be in the business of approving ANY marriages.

And I wonder if I am unique because my views are very strong on both parts of this, yet I completely and totally separate my personal opinions from my government opinions. To me, this is quite similar to the old "I despise smoking, but I'll fight for your right to smoke." I see nothing wrong with me, personally, doing what I can to support and change people's lifestyles to lifestyles I believe are good and right -- but would NEVER want government to do so.

But I wonder if I'm in the minority because I see so few people that can support my views in this way -- most simply call me a bigot and homophobe because I won't go out and lobby for gay marriage.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

This issue is so interesting on many levels.
People are tested on convictions, some will be ostracized just for the independence from the majority view point. All sizes of groups are subject to being intolerant to individual expression. Polygamy can be another way people can live, however is rejected to the point of violence to preserve the familiar.
It is amazing the myriad forms of bizarre human behavior finds acceptance while other ways are rejected.
The Big Love series is really good.

[dalebert]

But I wonder if I'm in the minority because I see so few people that can support my views in this way -- most simply call me a bigot and homophobe because I won't go out and lobby for gay marriage.

All you've done is shown you're not violent about it. You've not done anything to defend the notions that you're not a bigot or a homophobe. Some people call this vulgar libertarianism, I believe. It's kind of the idea that as long as you're libertarian (don't support using government force to get your way) then you must be a good person. But terms like homophobe or bigot are based on your attitudes. If you had a gay child, you could do tremendous emotional abuse to that child by your attitude alone. That's why my view as a libertarian is that we should not treat parents as owning their children. They should be able to leave their parents at any age and I would hope that in a freer society, support networks and adoptive parents would be in great supply.

BTW, I won't lobby for gay marriage either, and I approve of gay marriage. I just don't approve of lobbying the government for anything (playing their games) and I think they should be out of everything.

In short, I'd leave you alone since you're willing to extend the same courtesy, but I certainly wouldn't invite you to my parties. If you don't approve of something that's really an essential part of who I am, then there's not much mutual respect to base a friendship on.

[Tom Sawyer]

So Lou wants to hoard the beautiful women...


Hey have as many wives (or husbands) as you want and can deal with.

[Russell Kanning]

My wife and I agreed that monogamy was unrealistic  for us though neither of us has gone outside the marriage yet .

unrealistic .... yet reality
interesting

[Friday]

Ok, I'm going to go way out on a limb here and see what happens. After all, with a group of radicals like this, I can't go wrong, right? 

Here's my view, and you can let me have it:

Personally, I think any sort of family arrangement other than a man and a woman is wrong. I don't like it, I don't support it, and I don't approve of it. If, in person, I meet people who do such things, I won't hate them, I won't throw things at them, but I won't approve of the arrangement. Would I tell them they're wrong? Perhaps, but not in a judgmental or mean way. Would I try and change them? Perhaps, but again, in a loving manner.

BUT (and don't stop reading yet), I absolutely would NEVER support government trying to stop them, change them, or legislate them. Just like I want the government laws to leave them alone, I want the government laws to leave me alone. I don't think government should support and approve gay marriage, because it indirectly forces me to approve it. At the same time, I don't think government should be in the business of approving ANY marriages.

And I wonder if I am unique because my views are very strong on both parts of this, yet I completely and totally separate my personal opinions from my government opinions. To me, this is quite similar to the old "I despise smoking, but I'll fight for your right to smoke." I see nothing wrong with me, personally, doing what I can to support and change people's lifestyles to lifestyles I believe are good and right -- but would NEVER want government to do so.

But I wonder if I'm in the minority because I see so few people that can support my views in this way -- most simply call me a bigot and homophobe because I won't go out and lobby for gay marriage.

I applaud you for your courage in expressing your honest opinion.  Being a libertarian does NOT mean you have to approve of, or pretend to approve of, every religion, ethnicity, hairstyle, personality-type. 

This is something I have repeatedly seen more radical libertarians seem to not understand.  Sure, you should be allowed to do whatever the F you want as long as you're not hurting anyone else.  That doesn't mean everyone is going to agree with you, or like you.  It doesn't mean they may not treat you differently after you have let them know that you're really into close personal relationships with barnyard animals or whatever.    Freedom of association includes the freedom to disassociate.  Everybody doesn't have to like you. Waaaaah.   Have a lollipop.

[thinkliberty]

But I wonder if I'm in the minority because I see so few people that can support my views in this way -- most simply call me a bigot and homophobe because I won't go out and lobby for gay marriage.

First they came for the gays, and I did not speak out—because I was not a gay;
Then they came for the drugs, and I did not speak out—because I was not a drug user;
Then they came for the guns, and I did not speak out—because I was not a gun owner;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

If you won't stand up for their rights, they won't stand up for your rights.  The political mob will consume your rights, like they did to every one else -- as you did nothing.

[Sovereign Curtis]

But I wonder if I'm in the minority because I see so few people that can support my views in this way -- most simply call me a bigot and homophobe because I won't go out and lobby for gay marriage.

First they came for the gays, and I did not speak out—because I was not a gay;
Then they came for the drugs, and I did not speak out—because I was not a drug user;
Then they came for the guns, and I did not speak out—because I was not a gun owner;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

If you won't stand up for their rights, they won't stand up for your rights.  The political mob will consume your rights, like they did to every one else -- as you did nothing.

He specifically said he would defend your right to do something he thinks is wrong.

[thinkliberty]

But I wonder if I'm in the minority because I see so few people that can support my views in this way -- most simply call me a bigot and homophobe because I won't go out and lobby for gay marriage.

He specifically said he would defend your right to do something he thinks is wrong.

He specifically said he would not lobby for someone's right to gay marriage. He thinks it's wrong.

He won't speak up for a politically expendable group of people being picked on by political bullies.

Anyone being picked on by the state is an easy convert to liberty, unless you ignore that their rights are being violated,