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microtone

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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2010, 09:09 AM NHFT »

yeap! with all the damage done by alcohol, it's time to make that illegal...

so don't forget to vote for the PROHIBITION PARTY.

http://www.prohibition.org/values.html
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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2010, 11:50 AM NHFT »

You guys are right. Throw out all the laws. Let six year olds have access to alcohol and drugs what the heck why not? Why don't we just throw out all laws murder, rape, theft none of it should be a crime. If someone crosses the street in front of me then there in my way I'll just run them over. It's okay to run a red light and hit another vehicle because the cops are evil tyrants and we shouldn't care what they want or anyone else for that matter.
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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2010, 12:29 PM NHFT »

You guys are right. Throw out all the laws. Let six year olds have access to alcohol and drugs what the heck why not? Why don't we just throw out all laws murder, rape, theft none of it should be a crime. If someone crosses the street in front of me then there in my way I'll just run them over. It's okay to run a red light and hit another vehicle because the cops are evil tyrants and we shouldn't care what they want or anyone else for that matter.

A Catholic might be appalled to learn that Baptists don't go to confessional for their sins. To a Catholic, that might sound like Baptists just give a pass on sin. In fact, Catholics and Baptists are largely in agreement about what are considered sins and that sin is a bad thing that must be dealt with. They just approach the perceived problem from different directions. I think you're falling for the same sort of fallacy by thinking people don't want to do anything about certain problems just because they don't believe YOUR way is the best way to deal with them. Either that or you're being willfully ignorant as a straw man tactic.
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Russell Kanning

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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2010, 01:14 PM NHFT »

i guess if a six year old wanders into my house ... he has access to alcohol ..... doesn't seem to lead to anything
are there currently laws that keep kids from having access to alcohol? am i breaking them by having it on my kitchen shelves? what should be done with me?
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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2010, 01:40 AM NHFT »

You should give all the alcohol to me for safe keeping Russell.
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Russell Kanning

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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2010, 08:32 AM NHFT »

there might be a law keeping me from giving it to you .... so you won't OD
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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2010, 09:06 AM NHFT »

I looked. No.
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thinkliberty

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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2010, 09:10 AM NHFT »

You guys are right. Throw out all the laws. Let six year olds have access to alcohol and drugs what the heck why not? Why don't we just throw out all laws murder, rape, theft none of it should be a crime. If someone crosses the street in front of me then there in my way I'll just run them over. It's okay to run a red light and hit another vehicle because the cops are evil tyrants and we shouldn't care what they want or anyone else for that matter.

Why do you need a law to keep alcohol and drugs away from your 6 year old? Are you incapable of raising your children yourself? How many times have you been out smarted by a scary 6 year old for drugs and alcohol? No one I know is stupid enough to give a 6 year old those things. Are you?

I think you've overdosed on the statist religion. Laws have never stopped anyone from using alcohol or drugs. They are/have been illegal and anyone that wants to can/could get them cheaply at any time. People overdosed on booze, even when it was illegal.

We can ignore your straw man comments about murder, rape, theft. The government does those things all the time even though there are "laws" against them.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2010, 10:17 AM NHFT by thinkliberty »
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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2010, 07:38 PM NHFT »

I am on the fence about never jailing any one ever.... the concept is beyond me right now. For the record , I have been jailed in Cook County lock up .. would not wish a week there on an enemy.

There are some people who are just too dangerous to be roaming around, in my opinion. Although in a free society one would be able to use deadly force easier to defend themselves, I still believe imprisonment would be necessary.

I'd imagine that private protection services would offer this as a service if someone infringes your property, or person.

The private protection agency would have authority, or justification to act against anyone who acted against you.

Where I'd imagine it gets tricky is if someone files a complaint with their protection service and it is opposing a cross complaint from another individual and their protection service.

I agree, those who are truly a continuing danger to others should be put in a secure work camp, working to pay restitution to their victim(s).

I am sure that the protection agencies operating in a particular area would have designated courts of arbitration to handle disputes between them, with alternative courts for appeal. These could be used to handle cross claims.
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tremendoustie

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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2010, 07:42 PM NHFT »

Legalizing everything is not the answer. Someone I know recently passed away from legal prescription medications I have lost a few people I know to this kind of thing. Throwing them in jail for possession and use is of little to no effect. Parents don't know how to teach their children most of the time because these are things many of them have never dealt with. The "experts" in rehab aren't working , politicians are more interested in their own careers than really helping anything. What we need are real answers to the underlying  causes. Legalizing will not solve the problems. The organized crime that controls the illegal drug trade won't go away there is too much money involved just like the government.

ps they are working on banning the donut, the french fry and the cheeseburger they call it health care.

Think for a second.


How much violence is there in the alcohol distribution chain?

Do people manufacture aspirin in their basements, putting themselves and others in danger?

Does the sale of cigarettes fund gangs and terrorists?

No, because these things are legal. They are produced efficiently and safely by companies in controlled facilities, distributed by truck drivers, not gangsters, and sold in stores, not on street corners.
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tremendoustie

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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2010, 07:45 PM NHFT »

You guys are right. Throw out all the laws. Let six year olds have access to alcohol and drugs what the heck why not? Why don't we just throw out all laws murder, rape, theft none of it should be a crime. If someone crosses the street in front of me then there in my way I'll just run them over. It's okay to run a red light and hit another vehicle because the cops are evil tyrants and we shouldn't care what they want or anyone else for that matter.

Laws against harming other people are legitimate. If you harm another person you should be made to pay restitution to them, and if you are a clear continuing danger to others, some sort of work imprisonment might be appropriate.

It's not appropriate to use violence against individuals who have not harmed others or their property.
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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2010, 08:43 PM NHFT »

"You guys are right. Throw out all the laws. Let six year olds have access to alcohol and drugs what the heck why not?"

nah! let's make them go to school, watch the boob tube, and eat happy meals instead. much safer that way. "let them eat ritalin.."


"Does the sale of cigarettes fund gangs and terrorists?

"No, because these things are legal. They are produced efficiently and safely by companies in controlled facilities, distributed by truck drivers, not gangsters, and sold in stores, not on street corners."

Actually, the answer is YES, YES and YES.  Counterfit and Black Market cigarettes are competing with the sports book, drugs and prostitution as the most profitable criminal enterprise these days. And, well back in the old days in the last city I called home, the mob boys actually controlled the majority of trucking and distribution.....

Probably, one of the biggest misconceptions concerning on how "society should deal with criminals".....

Is, FIRST... use common sense and DON'T BE THE VICTIM......

Secondly, the police or the state are not protecting YOU as an INDIVIDUAL. In fact, that's not the case. It's the 'PUBLIC SAFETY' of the collective, and it's actually a form of 'joining' a common risk pool. You are not being protected by the police from a rapist or a murderer, you are more or less being protected from a serial killer or serial rapist. In that the state is hunting down perpetrators after the fact.

There is the occasional attempt to "test" school children for 'criminal dispositions' and of course, to get them on 'medication' to 'treat them'....

Okay, let's say drugs are legalized, and people are 'concerned' kids will 'get drugs'... just like those kids over in Weare last week, sneaking out of school to score black market drugs...... But anyway, what about legal porn....?

Now porn is perfectly legal, but if I go down and start showing it to third graders, don't you think somebody is going to put a stop to it ? Hey, don't us dirty old men have rights ?
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tremendoustie

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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2010, 09:01 PM NHFT »

The only reason cigarettes are creeping back into the black market is because taxes are abusively high. If there were no taxes, there would be no reason for the black market.
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CJS

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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2010, 11:48 PM NHFT »

Legalizing everything is not the answer

 Then what the hell is the answer .. cause after thirty-five years of war on drugs I can still buy weed ... cocaine / crack .. heroin ... meth .. any kind of mind and mood altering substance I want with hardly any effort  ... and I don't even get high .

 Who the hell are you to tell myself or the people on either side of me what they can and cannot do to / with their own bodies and why does every single action an adult take have to be filtered through the " it may not be safe for the children " screen ?  Keep an eye on your curtain climbers and they will be fine.

i guess if a six year old wanders into my house ... he has access to alcohol ..... doesn't seem to lead to anything
are there currently laws that keep kids from having access to alcohol? am i breaking them by having it on my kitchen shelves? what should be done with me?

 Your making the fatal mistake of using logic here ... you will never sway this guys mind ... the brainwashing has to strong a hold . How sad . He / She is just like all the gun-grabbers .. facts and logic mean nothing to them . 
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Re: Seeing people OD
« Reply #59 on: February 19, 2010, 01:37 AM NHFT »

The only reason cigarettes are creeping back into the black market is because taxes are abusively high. If there were no taxes, there would be no reason for the black market.

Ab-so-freggin'-lootly.

The government wants people to stop smoking because it is dangerous.......

.......but neeeeeeeds people to smoke for all the tax revenue.

The government wants people to not drink and drive because it is dangerous......

..... but it sells it to you on either the north or southbound side of the highway because liquor is their #1 revenue source.

Government is a retarded hypocritical mess. Duh.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2010, 01:41 AM NHFT by highline »
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