• Welcome to New Hampshire Underground.
 

News:

Please log in on the special "login" page, not on any of these normal pages. Thank you, The Procrastinating Management

"Let them march all they want, as long as they pay their taxes."  --Alexander Haig

Main Menu

Legislators trying to Back Door HB 368

Started by DagnyTaggart, February 03, 2010, 06:26 PM NHFT

Previous topic - Next topic

DagnyTaggart

HB 368 was soundly defeated on January 13th by a vote of 324 to 34.

9 members of the HEC committee did not like that it was defeated and our trying to back door the Bill through the Department of Education.  These members sent the below letter to the DOE.   Can these members be censured or thrown out of office for trying to by pass the legislative process and attack homeschoolers rights?


Cathy Peschke




(on letterhead)
State of New Hampshire
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Legislative Office Building
33 North State Street
Concord, NH  03301-6328
TEL: (603) 271-3334
TDD Access: Relay NH 1-800-735-2964
COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

Emma L. Rous
Chairman

J. Timothy Dunn
Vice Chairman

January 25, 2010

Dear (Chairman Lyons and Members of the NH State Bd. of Education)

The House Education Committee has been involved in a review of the home education statute for several years. During this period, many members of the Education Committee have grown concerned about the level of accountability for home education programs. We retained HB368 and every member of the committee served on a subcommittee to review the statute. On Nov. 19, 2009 the committee voted 10-10 on an amendment to strengthen the evaluation process for home educated students. Failing to get a majority, the committee rejected the original bill, which was also defeated without debate in the House.

In the course of committee discussion, many questions were raised about the role of the State Board in setting rules. RSA 193-A:3 empowers the Board to "adopt rules...relative to administering the home education program." HEAC is charged to "recommend...changes in rules..." but serves in an advisory capacity rather than a decision-making capacity. As a current member of HEAC, I do not believe the department violated appropriate process in recommending changes to the board. While the laws cannot be changed by the rules process, the board can and should clarify and further specify how the laws are implemented.

Based on discussions in committee, testimony from superintendents and home educators, and a review of home education regulations in other states, I recommend the following rules changes in bold (references are to DOE's initial proposal dated 10/14/09):

Ed315.02 Definitions
(1)  "Teacher means a teacher other than the parent who holds NH certification....

Currently parents who are certified or teach in a private school can and do write their own evaluations. The consensus of the Education Committee is that this is not appropriate evaluation.


Ed315.04 Notification
(c) (1) The commencement date of the home education program contained in the written notification shall be on or before the date that the education will replace public school attendance;
"Written notification" is not currently specified in statute and should be clarified in rules. Superintendents testify they sometimes have trouble getting timely notification, resulting in ambiguity regarding truancy.

Ed315.07 Annual Evaluation
The department recommended eliminating (a) which requires that "No evaluation shall be used by the participating agent as an annual evaluation unless approved by the parent" and recommended instead that the evaluator shall:
315.07 (b) (1)
a.     Sign the evaluation

b.     Submit the evaluation to the participating agent; and

c.     Give a copy to a parent

315.07 (c) (5)
The department also recommended revising (c) (5) to require "The signature of the teacher" (eliminating "and the parent.")

I urge the Board to adopt the Department's original recommendations. If the evaluation is to have any validity, parent should not be allowed to shop for an evaluation until they get a favorable one. EHAC argues the evaluator may not understand the parent's program, but parents can screen evaluators before hiring them. Under the current system, parents choose and pay the evaluator, and evaluators are the only ones to see the student portfolio. There is no requirement to meet with the student. Evaluators have no incentive to be thorough or to give a critical evaluation.

Members of the Education Committee eventually dropped the idea of collecting data on numbers of home education students on probation because we do not believe, and superintendents concur, that superintendents have enough information to determine probation. We believe probations are only assigned for test scores under the 40th percentile and rarely, if ever, for negative portfolio evaluations. Only if the portfolio evaluation process is significantly strengthened would we encourage accurate data collection on probation by the department.

Ed 315.07 (c) (3) and (4)
Evaluations are currently brief and cursory (see attached example). Developing a DOE sample model for appropriate, thorough portfolio evaluations and referencing that model in rules should be a high priority for this round of rules revision. The department recommends making the following addition to (c) (4): and the facts the teacher relied on to develop the concluding statement. This is a good starting point, but should be much more specific and complete. Current (c) (3) asks for "a description of the work reviewed," but what should be in that description? Similarly, parents need guidance regarding what should be included in a portfolio.
If parents have chosen not to teach all of the subjects listed in RSA 193-A:4, the portfolio and the evaluation summary should include a rationale for leaving subjects out. (See Ed 315.08 (a) (2). [sic]
Ed 315.17 Grievance conference
The department has added language stressing that a conference may be requested by "parents or participating agents." This is an important clarification because HEAC should not only act as advocates for home education parents with grievances against school systems, but as facilitators and problem solvers for struggling or challenging home school programs.

Prompted by the Home School Legal Defense Association, home educators have asserted that changes in home education laws and rules would be unnecessarily burdensome and make us the most regulated state in the country. HSLDA currently ranks NH among the less regulated home school states. Over 4,000 students home school in NH, and we know that families move from more regulated states like MA and NY to home school here. While there are states with very little regulation, there are also states that require much more than NH. For example, requirements that:

-the parents have at least a high school diploma (or in some cases a BA)
-curriculum parallel that taught in public schools
-home schooled students study an equivalent number of hours as public school students
-home education cannot be initiated to avoid disciplinary action or to drop out early
-portfolios be submitted to superintendents
-all home educated students take the statewide achievement tests
-home education program report quarterly
-tests cannot be administered by the parent

NH has none of these requirements. I believe the rules changes suggested above are important, appropriate, and well within the jurisdiction of the State Board of Education. I hope you will support these changes.

Thank you for your attention.

Sincerely,
Rep. Emma Rous (signed)
Rep. Emma Rous

Rep Rick Ladd (signed)
Rep. Roderick M. Ladd (hand-printed)

Rep. Claire Clarke (signed)

Rep Judy Day (signed)
Rep Judy Day (hand-printed)

Rep. Rachel Burke (signed)
Rep Rachel Burke (hand-printed)

Rep. Judith Reever (signed)
Judith Reever (hand-printed)
Charles B. Yeaton (signed)

Philip R. Harvey (signed)
Rep. Philip R. Harvey (hand-printed)

Rep Kim Casey (hand-printed)
Kimberly Casey (signed)

Fluff and Stuff

Quote from: DagnyTaggart on February 03, 2010, 06:26 PM NHFT
9 members of the HEC committee did not like that it was defeated and our trying to back door the Bill through the Department of Education.  These members sent the below letter to the DOE.   Can these members be censured or thrown out of office for trying to by pass the legislative process and attack homeschoolers rights?


Cathy Peschke

No.  Any advice on what to do?

AntonLee

any ideas on what you can do?  Besides the usual things like writing to them and begging them to leave us alone.

homeschoolers are not part of the public education system.  They are independent.  It's damn time the government realizes this.

Ogre

You see, Anton, that's now how these people think. Instead, these legislators view children as their own personal property, to do with as they see fit. And they like the support of the unions and the educrats, so they support anything that forces more people into the government education system. After all, the primary reason to have children in the education system is to gain more money to spend.

No, I'm serious. That's how these type of legislators view children -- the more children they can get in the government school system, the more cash they get from the feds. Therefore, in their view, it is in their own best interests to reduce homeschooling as much as possible. That's not tongue-in-cheek, or anything like that. This is how they think.

So, how do you defeat them? Unless you can remove the cash bonus they get from children in government schools, you cannot. You cannot use logic. You cannot reason with them. They do not care about rights, and in most cases, don't even care about education. I guess it might be possible to bribe them if you offer them more cash than they get from the unions and the education lobby. Of course, that would be illegal (unless you're a government entity, in which case you can bribe all you want).

Unfortunately, this is an area in which you will find very, very few willing to engage in civil disobedience -- because if you do, you WILL lose your children to the state.

Short answer? I don't know how to fight it, other than ignoring the law and being prepared to flee when the government comes to take your children.


AntonLee

a while back I heard about some sort of alternative school starting in NH.  I would like to get more information on this if anyone can point me to a site.  I can't remember who was doing it.

Perhaps the only alternative movement is to ignore government when it comes to your children.  Even in my former state of MA we had those "homeschooled" kids in the area who never seemed to be 'checked on' by government officials (my parents' words not mine)

Perhaps the only thing that can be done is to support those who are doing it now, so that they might pass on their tips and tricks to me and Jaime when it comes our time.

Fluff and Stuff

There are lots of private schools all over the state.  Heck, doesn't Tilton have a famous private school?  You mean the one that Kate Richards started in Manchester?

Pat McCotter


AntonLee

Quote from: Fluff and Stuff on February 05, 2010, 09:19 AM NHFT
There are lots of private schools all over the state.  Heck, doesn't Tilton have a famous private school?  You mean the one that Kate Richards started in Manchester?

yes Tilton has a very famous private school.  I've not found a lot of difference in the teaching methods compared to regular government school.

The one Kate started was the one I was thinking about.

tito887

Quote from: Ogre on February 04, 2010, 09:17 AM NHFT

Unfortunately, this is an area in which you will find very, very few willing to engage in civil disobedience -- because if you do, you WILL lose your children to the state.

Short answer? I don't know how to fight it, other than ignoring the law and being prepared to flee when the government comes to take your children.

I could see that happening to me. I'm not interested in learning the regulations of homeschooling. Unless when my daughter is older and chooses to follow the regulation. I could see myself heading out to grafton or getting my wife and kid out of NH. But that's just worse case scenario.