Guy flies plane into IRS building

[David]

Wow, a gun cleaner who actually did more than clean his guns and threaten everybody.   

[Lloyd Danforth]

Was he a gun cleaner.  I got the impression he was a nuts and berries, folk singing, Democrat.
Not that the two would have to be exclusive.

[freeborn]

"Roberts was quick to condemned Stack's behavior as "an act of a very, very sick individual."

There was nothing sick about Joe Stack.  He was a hell of a lot more sensible than most of the people in our so-called government.

If I had been in his shoes I would have done the same thing.  He is a hero in my book.

[CJS]

"Roberts was quick to condemned Stack's behavior as "an act of a very, very sick individual."

There was nothing sick about Joe Stack.  He was a hell of a lot more sensible than most of the people in our so-called government.

If I had been in his shoes I would have done the same thing.  He is a hero in my book.

While many can understand his rage , I think what he did was horrific and he is no hero . He could have killed a lot of people . He gave no consideration to the people just trying to make a living by showing up in that building , and what of him almost burning his wife and daughter alive in the family home. if the news reports are correct ?

I don't think the people who own this forum take kindly to those who joyfully advocate violence.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Of course anyone can 'Monday morning quarterback" about this.  I would have preferred he had chosen a building that housed nobody, but, feds. The up side is that he killed a guy who at 68! was still fleecing the public. His wife, also in the building, also employed fleecing. The article doesn't say if the son also fleeces the public.
I think that when the US military kills a family of 12 with an errant bomb, they call it 'Collateral Damage'




Feb 20, 6:27 PM EST

IRS worker killed in crash was a loyal family man


AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- The family of a longtime Internal Revenue Service employee killed when a pilot harboring an anti-IRS grudge flew his plane into his office remembered the Vietnam veteran Saturday as devoted family man who likely would have tried to save his co-workers from the burning building before escaping himself.

"He was full of life. Probably the best teacher I had in my life," Ken Hunter said of his father, 68-year-old Vernon Hunter. The elder Hunter had been missing and presumed dead since Thursday, when software engineer Andrew Joseph Stack III slammed his plane into the Austin building where Hunter worked as a manager for the IRS.

The crash caused a large fireball that destroyed much of the hulking glass building where Hunter's wife, Valerie, also worked as an IRS employee. She was not wounded.

Hunter was the only person besides Stack to die in the attack, and authorities officially notified the family they had identified his remains on Saturday, said Larry McDonald, a family friend and deacon at their church.

Stack, 53, apparently targeted the lower floors of the building that houses IRS offices after lashing out at the agency in a ranting manifesto posted on a Web site shortly before Thursday's attack. In the note, Stack claimed the government and the its tax code robbed him of his savings and ruined his career.

Standing outside Hunter's house in the Austin suburb of Cedar Park, Ken Hunter said he wanted to tell people about his father after hearing about Stack's life and his anti-tax crusade. He was alarmed by comments from Stack's friends who said he was a good person and Internet postings calling the pilot a hero.

"People say (Stack) is a patriot. What's he a patriot for? He hasn't served the country. My dad did two tours of Vietnam and this guy is going to be a patriot and no one is going to say that about my dad? That's what got me started talking. I couldn't stand it anymore," Ken Hunter said.

In the note, Stack wrote that he realized "violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer." He apparently set fire to his home before taking off Thursday from an airport 30 miles north of the Texas capital. His current wife and her daughter were not at home at the time.

Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said his wife, Sheryl Stack, and her daughter had left the couple's home Wednesday night and stayed at a hotel but would not elaborate. Acevedo said police had no reports of domestic violence at the home.

Stack's daughter from his first marriage, Samantha Dawn Bell, said the Web manifesto didn't sound like the father she knew.

"It's not him. The letter itself sounds like it's coming from a different person," she said in an interview from her home in Norway.

Stack also lashed out at his Austin-based accountant Bill Ross in the anti-IRS screed. In a statement, Ross said Stack hired him for tax help in 2008 but the pilot had failed to give him all his financial information, resulting in an IRS audit.

Ross said when Stack ignored the audit and his advice, he ended the business relationship and had not been in touch with him since October.

No one answered the door at Ross' house Saturday. But his spokesman said the accountant was fine. "Certainly nobody wants their name in a rambling manifesto of someone who ran his plane into a building," said Chad Wilbanks, a former executive director of the Texas Republican Party.

Back at the Hunter home, Ken Hunter said he assumed the worst after not hearing from his father within an hour after the crash.

"I called dad about 20 times. I never got an answer," said the younger Hunter, who lives in San Antonio. "I could tell."

Vernon Hunter grew up in Orangeburg, S.C. before joining the Army after high school in 1959 and served about 20 years. Though he liked his job at the IRS, he had just begun to hint at retirement and was talking about going back to school to get a degree teaching children with learning disabilities.

Hunter and his wife, Valerie, each had three children before they were married and melded the large family together, Ken Hunter said. He also loved the Washington Redskins football team and eating good Texas barbecue.

[Russell Kanning]

I noticed that aircraft and fire didn't make the building free fall.

maybe they put the fire out in time

[Jim Johnson]

I noticed that aircraft and fire didn't make the building free fall.

maybe they put the fire out in time

Your no fun.   

[dalebert]

"Roberts was quick to condemned Stack's behavior as "an act of a very, very sick individual."

There was nothing sick about Joe Stack.  He was a hell of a lot more sensible than most of the people in our so-called government.

If I had been in his shoes I would have done the same thing.  He is a hero in my book.

Someone got temporarily banned from Free Keene for a post similar to this.

[Kat Kanning]

"Roberts was quick to condemned Stack's behavior as "an act of a very, very sick individual."

There was nothing sick about Joe Stack.  He was a hell of a lot more sensible than most of the people in our so-called government.

If I had been in his shoes I would have done the same thing.  He is a hero in my book.

Someone got temporarily banned from Free Keene for a post similar to this.

Wow, you guys are hardcore on your government plants.

[Pat K]

Ut-Oh Kat the forum nazi title might be slipping from
your grasp.

[Kat Kanning]

Dang!

[Raineyrocks]

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What is it?  Links don't work for me right now, eeer Mozilla keeps shutting down now too!  This is so irritating when I'm on Mozzilla I can't see avatars or the top bar that says home, help, moderate, blah, blah so I log on to the forum now with Internet Explorer and I can't see videos or click on links.

Rainy have you updated your firefox browser recently ? Mine is on auto update and I was having problems so I went back to an older version .... I think it has something to do with my AMD Atholon 32 bit processor .

Yup, that's exactly when the problem began.  I would be on the computer and all of a sudden Firefox started installing updates and everytime after their stupid updates some new problem starting happening.  How did you get rid of the newer version/s and go back to the old one?   I loved the old one!

Thanks for thinking of that, maybe there's hope now.    I have no idea what an AMD Atholon 32 bit processor is though, is that something I need to find out if I have or not?

[Raineyrocks]

David Icke and Alex have said they want to provoke violence but really what we need is peaceful non-compliance, stop feeding the machine and it stops running.   I would hope the majority of people would see this and stop complying with this corrupt government but first they, (myself included), need to know how to do this. 

Does anybody understand that?  I hope so because I'm getting tired of doing nothing and not knowing what to do. 

Indeed, with children, this is more difficult because yes, the state is more than willing to use the leverage of your children against you to force you to comply. My suggestion, regarding the children, is to have a backup plan. For example, the state has much more difficulty taking children that are not in the specific state they are in. So our family has a plan with an emergency bag and an emergency location outside of the state. Should anything happen to me, the rest of the family packs up and runs out of state as quickly as possible. Perfect? No. But is it a plan that will slow the state down from taking my children? I hope so.

As for finding things to do, your best bet is to keep reading here. Lots of people come up with lots of good ideas here. And you can help participate without being as openly disobedient as to risk your children -- for example, you can show up to protests and sign-holdings to support those caged by thugs. Show up to peaceful gatherings to show your support. And if you're into that kind of thing, go ahead and contact legislators. But yeah, open disobedience to the state while you have children is risky -- and the state knows that.

Thank you so much and that is such a smart idea about having a back up plan!    I can't think of a back up plan in a reasonable distance but I will try to work on something like that if I can.  Most of my family think I'm crazy for moving here in the first place though and I don't think they would be willing to be a part of any back up plan. 

Your right, I do need to show up at more peaceful gatherings actually I think I've only been to one since moving here but what if someone comes up to me in a hostile manner or if it's a nice person with questions that I don't have the answers to?   That's what I worry about because maybe that could've been a person looking for answers that I don't have. 

[Raineyrocks]

When I was at a candle lit vigil against the invasion of Iraq this guy came up to me, (I"m so lucky this way), and started asking me questions in a hostile manner.  I didn't know what to say and that's why I'm afraid to participate in a lot of protests and stuff because I feel I could harm "the cause" more than help it, if I don't have answers.  I know 100% that guy walked away feeling like he was totally right and the bunch of us were idiots because I just stood there. Maybe I may have been able to have given him things to think of and reflect upon later, if I'd known what to say or if he had just confronted someone smarter.  Does anybody understand that?  I hope so because I'm getting tired of doing nothing and not knowing what to do. 

Rainey, some people suggest practicing responses to questions ahead of time, as if you're an actor in a play.  But I wouldn't beat yourself up about it.  If a strange man got in my face and started acting hostile I'd probably be so stressed out that even if I had memorized answers, I'd be too nervous to remember them.  Just know that you are on the right side of the issue (and probably a happier person than he is).   

Thanks Friday!     Yeah, if I had rehearsed something it would've went out of my mind, he was so mean but your right I can't let someone like that stop me from doing things I believe are right.   I actually worry more about the nice people that may have questions that I don't have the answers for. 

[Russell Kanning]

good article
http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer207.html

one paragraph

Resort to violence has always reflected a sense of hopelessness, despair, and despondency so contrary to life. Because the state is defined as a system that enjoys a monopoly on the use of violence, it becomes easy for any of us – frustrated and angry over having our wills systematically violated by coercive agencies – to feel the need, at some point, to respond in kind. But if violence practiced by governments is antithetical to life, doesn't a violent act of retaliation likewise diminish the quality of life? It is not the unlawfulness, or the immorality of such acts that is so saddening, but the dispiriting impact it has on the actor; what it does to the soul of the person driven to such desperate measures. By resorting to statist tactics, we internalize statism; we become what we oppose.