Thanks for your patience, I get more insight.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

Reading these posts, discussions has helped me learn a lot. Just now reading and Really appreciate the 2yr old thread under the Endless debate and whining started by Tackle the World on the StephM. guy who brings a lot more development of liberty philosophy, but of course brings more questions. I love the post discussions there.  I know the politics is futile as played by R.Paul but I want to support it to a limited degree as I believe he is very educational to the masses by his campaign. I certainly am in a quagmire of uncertainty except for principles of liberty. Will need to read more from source doc.; Ebook club under voluntary school any one?

[Free libertarian]

Ron Paul is less evil.  He can be useful as a portal in transitioning "normal" people to understanding freedom.  Sort of like a "friendly indian" in a Daniel Boone episode.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Known as the Mingo Gambit.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

I believe it is not right to call him "evil" but the system he is working within certainly is.

[Jim Johnson]

Ron Paul is less evil.  He can be useful as a portal in transitioning "normal" people to understanding freedom.  Sort of like a "friendly indian" in a Daniel Boone episode.

So if I'm understanding this properly, Ron Paul is trying to get the settlers to become Indians... or is he trying to show that liberty people can become just like "normal" people?

[Lloyd Danforth]

He can't throw a Tomahawk.

Johnny Carson - Ed Ames Tomahawk Incident

[Free libertarian]

Ron Paul is less evil.  He can be useful as a portal in transitioning "normal" people to understanding freedom.  Sort of like a "friendly indian" in a Daniel Boone episode.

So if I'm understanding this properly, Ron Paul is trying to get the settlers to become Indians... or is he trying to show that liberty people can become just like "normal" people?
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I think he's trying to expose that Wampum is created out of thin air and is no longer backed by beaver pelts. 

[PattyLee loves dogs]

  :

HELP ED AMES!!   

[PattyLee loves dogs]

Thank You OUR hero RON PAUL!!! Stands up against endless military occupation with the attached human rights violations. I am starting now to believe in progress with your leadership. Good luck to Rand to turn upside down the corrupt old boy network of my home state KY!!! Stunning.
WE LOVE YOU!!! WE CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!    WHOHOOOO!!!!!!   
Patty Lee and Bill Walker (now of the Free State Project, NH)

[Russell Kanning]

the way Ron Paul does politics ..... voting "no" and doing speeches .... doesn't seem too bad
so is that what you are going to do ...... or follow stephen m's advice?

[PattyLee loves dogs]

No one can ignore at this point R. Paul's progress, it is a miracle. I think voting for him, and voting "NO" is politics of self defense. Steph Moylneau (SP?) or Ron Paul do not have all the answers, of course.

This movement like AA should not be about personality but about principle.

We should use a lot more reading of many libertarian oriented writers.

I really like the parts of Steph talk where he advocates standing on principle rather than having to know all these endless supports, specific facts and statistics to debate. That is a lot different than how libertarians communicated their positions in the 1980s.

I think (if I here him correctly) he is going too far having young people ID where their family members other associates may disagree with libertarian stance and reject continued association. He makes the  point that if you take the idea 100% people who do not support your stance want you locked up. I have seen people listen to him and express they can not have continued association with their family. That is very extreme and tragic most of the time.


Steph is a dogmatic but people should listen but continue to study other libertarian and outside viewpoints. I think I would find more  leadership from the responding posters who synthesized his argument in context with many, many writers.