Peaceful is Violent

[Jim Johnson]

Someone sent some state Governors nonviolent letters asking them to step down... the letters are seen as a threat and will inspire people to be violent.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/02/fbi-anti-government-groups-remove-governors-encourage-violence/?test=latestnews

I forget which federal judge it was that told Lauren, 'Your being silent and being still are going to cause someone to become violent'.

The ones that will be inspired to violence are the people in the government.

[Puke]

War is Peace

[CJS]

Someone sent some state Governors nonviolent letters asking them to step down... the letters are seen as a threat and will inspire people to be violent.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/02/fbi-anti-government-groups-remove-governors-encourage-violence/?test=latestnews

I forget which federal judge it was that told Lauren, 'Your being silent and being still are going to cause someone to become violent'.

The ones that will be inspired to violence are the people in the government.

A Judge making threats of violence  ..... scumbag.

I have checked out a couple of comments sections and the general oppinion is that this isa state sponsered false flag deal .. seems more ad more people are waking up .

[Lloyd Danforth]

Only 30 governors?

[Ryan McGuire]

There was some representatives of this group at Alt Expo. I listened to them and they were certainly not advocating for violence, far from it, they were advocating stopping violence by informing the state governors that their office was enacting violence upon the people, that their authority was illegitimate because it was violent, and ultimately ordered them to step down from their positions of authority on the basis of moral/natural law.

I wished them luck, but ultimately couldn't align myself with them as to join you have to swear an oath to defend the US constitution, which I personally find abhorrent. Nice, thoughtful folks, though.

[KBCraig]

1. They sent the letters to the governors.
2. They didn't send out press releases (that I'm aware of).
3. The governors, police, and FBI publicized the letters.
4. Because, they say, the letters could inspire violence.

...ummmm... by whom, exactly? The people who didn't even know about the letters until you told them?

[MaineShark]

1. They sent the letters to the governors.
2. They didn't send out press releases (that I'm aware of).
3. The governors, police, and FBI publicized the letters.
4. Because, they say, the letters could inspire violence.

...ummmm... by whom, exactly? The people who didn't even know about the letters until you told them?

If you hear about a bunch of governors committing suicide, you know who's to blame!

Joe

[Ryan McGuire]

I'd say the government has a vested interest in allowing people to be inspired to violence.

Violence against the state makes it easy for them to crack down and make them look (if only for a moment) like the good guys. Just reinforces the idea that if we want liberty AND we want to look like the good guys, we need to be open with the public, and be known for our peaceful non-cooperation.

Even when a certain anti-gov movement is admittedly non-violent, the government will attempt to egg them on or cast them in a violent light. The fact that this particular organization is so secretive was one of my main complaints. If you don't let the public know who you are and what you stand for, then the only side of the story the people will hear is what the government feeds the media with.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

A number of us were invited to join at an evening get together with people I never met a few days before the Liberty Forum. A man reading a long document  out loud most of which was stuff I agreed with. There were some points that I also did not agree with. Sounded more like a plan for a peaceful coup. I was very suspicious as attenders were asked to  sign a petition and provide finger prints. Why finger prints? Sort of like a blood oath, I was told. Does not make sense to be fingerprinted, I left. Looked like a false flag to me by over zealous agents with agendas. I would avoid this as I sensed a set up of some kind. 

In all of my years of involvement in the Liberty community, I never saw any thing like this.

I am currently unsure of the wisdom of the person who invited me to this event.

[Lloyd Danforth]

That was my take on it, too.

[David]

I'd say the government has a vested interest in allowing people to be inspired to violence.

Violence against the state makes it easy for them to crack down and make them look (if only for a moment) like the good guys. Just reinforces the idea that if we want liberty AND we want to look like the good guys, we need to be open with the public, and be known for our peaceful non-cooperation.

Even when a certain anti-gov movement is admittedly non-violent, the government will attempt to egg them on or cast them in a violent light. The fact that this particular organization is so secretive was one of my main complaints. If you don't let the public know who you are and what you stand for, then the only side of the story the people will hear is what the government feeds the media with.

I didn't know anything about them prior to reading it in the keene sentinel the other day.  But I agree with your thoughts on the negatives of their approach.  Secrecy can in my opinion, be dangerous.  the gov't can then get away with saying ANYTHING about you that they want.  Secrecy makes it far to easy for the gov't to make you out to be a thug or something. 

[MaineShark]

I didn't know anything about them prior to reading it in the keene sentinel the other day.  But I agree with your thoughts on the negatives of their approach.  Secrecy can in my opinion, be dangerous.  the gov't can then get away with saying ANYTHING about you that they want.  Secrecy makes it far to easy for the gov't to make you out to be a thug or something.

On the other hand, even if you do everything perfectly, they can still just plant some bombs and whatnot and invent some story about how your peaceful self was just a mask you used to hide your violence.

From what I can tell, there are literally no depths to which they will not sink, so a bit of lying and evidence-planting is well within what they may do.

Joe

[Russell Kanning]

i am glad this made the news and stirred things up
i couldn't join them, since they wanted secrecy and to take back the government .... i told them i just wanted it to go away
maybe they can send letters to obama next month

[Russell Kanning]

"In the past year, federal agents have seen an increase in "chatter" from an array of domestic extremist groups, which can include radical self-styled militias, white separatists or extreme civil libertarians and "sovereign" citizens."

maybe we can qualify as extreme civil libertarians

i know a few guys that like to call themselves sovereign too.

[Ryan McGuire]

i know a few guys that like to call themselves sovereign too.

I like "sovereign", don't care much for the "citizen" part though.