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[Lex]

Also, Merle can issue fire permits. He's on full time, so if you want to get a permit, there is no reason not to be able to get a hold of him. I believe he issues the majority of the fire permits in Grafton since he's almost always available.

When Merle was harassing me the 2nd time about this issue, he asked if I wanted him to send Babiarz around to issue me a permit (I told him no; Babiarz came anyway, and I told him to get off my property). Why didn't Merle just issue me one then? Or make an appointment to come back himself? Or tell me that he has the authority to issue permits? Or tell me that he issues the majority of the fire permits in Grafton?

I have confirmed with John that Merle does issue permits.

John also confirmed that if someone gave the fire department $40k he would request a budget of $0 for the next fiscal year and obviously there wouldn't be a warrant article to put money into the Fire Apparatus Fund. So, if someone wants to bake a lot of cookies or start a subscription company this is an option. The couch anarchists (that would be thinkliberty and MainShark) have no excuse now.

Alternately, for those interested, there is actually a private volunteer fire department in Grafton located on Liberty Lane, comprising of a forestry truck w/ water and various other vehicles with fire suppression equipment. Please send any donations to support this effort to Bob Hull.

[MaineShark]

I have confirmed with John that Merle does issue permits.

John also confirmed that if someone gave the fire department $40k he would request a budget of $0 for the next fiscal year and obviously there wouldn't be a warrant article to put money into the Fire Apparatus Fund. So, if someone wants to bake a lot of cookies or start a subscription company this is an option. The couch anarchists (that would be thinkliberty and MainShark) have no excuse now.

And, obviously, the word of a petty little Statist like him is worth... what, exactly?

Your "couch anarchist" nonsense is derangedly stupid.  Especially coming from someone who admits to doing nothing for liberty:

I don't have time to be a fire fighter, work full time, be a dad and to also figure out how to financially support the fire department.

Joe

[thinkliberty]

John also confirmed that if someone gave the fire department $40k he would request a budget of $0 for the next fiscal year and obviously there wouldn't be a warrant article to put money into the Fire Apparatus Fund. So, if someone wants to bake a lot of cookies or start a subscription company this is an option. The couch anarchists (that would be thinkliberty and MainShark) have no excuse now.

Did you ask John if he would request a budget $0 for the next fiscal year, because you both know that the 40K that he is requesting is blood money?

Are you really trying to extort the anarchist now, by telling us to give you $40k? Or you will have your political gang steal the homes of people who refuse to give them the money that You are requesting? Sorry I don't like people that use extortion to get what they want. I won't work with those kind of control freaks.

You have no excuse for requesting $40,000 in blood money, unless you are a scumbag. 

[Lex]

You should start the Petty Little Couch Anarchist Project, your tagline could be:

The Petty Little Couch Anarchist Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty non-activists to move to Mississippi, where they will exert the least possible effort to do nothing. The success of the Project would likely entail a lot of sitting around on couches, pontificating, philosophizing and complaining. All are welcome, particularly the lazy useless complainers.

You don't even have to sign anything, that would be just too much to ask of you.

MainShark, you could even be president of the Petty Little Couch Anarchists! Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? As president you could sit on a couch and tell other people what to do, I think it would be the perfect job for you. When you get really bored sitting around and pontificating you guys can do a bake sale to raise money for nicer couches. Since no-one will actually bake any cookies you guys will be able to have a lot more things to discuss and point fingers at who should have baked cookies but didn't. It's perfect. Don't you think?

[MaineShark]

MainShark, you could even be president of the Petty Little Couch Anarchists! Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? As president you could sit on a couch and tell other people would to do, I think it would be the perfect job for you. When you get really bored sitting around and pontificating you guys can do a bake sale to raise money for nicer couches. Since no-one will actually bake any cookies you guys will be able to have a lot more things to discuss and point fingers at who should have baked cookies but didn't. It's perfect. Don't you think?

Pathetic.

From the sounds of things, and your constant need to lash out at others, I expect that the real case is that I do more for liberty in a day, than you've done in your entire lifetime.

I mean, you already said that you spend essentially no time on it, so it's an easy standard for me to exceed...

Joe

[Lex]

MainShark, you could even be president of the Petty Little Couch Anarchists! Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? As president you could sit on a couch and tell other people would to do, I think it would be the perfect job for you. When you get really bored sitting around and pontificating you guys can do a bake sale to raise money for nicer couches. Since no-one will actually bake any cookies you guys will be able to have a lot more things to discuss and point fingers at who should have baked cookies but didn't. It's perfect. Don't you think?

Pathetic.

I thought it was funny.

[MaineShark]

MainShark, you could even be president of the Petty Little Couch Anarchists! Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? As president you could sit on a couch and tell other people would to do, I think it would be the perfect job for you. When you get really bored sitting around and pontificating you guys can do a bake sale to raise money for nicer couches. Since no-one will actually bake any cookies you guys will be able to have a lot more things to discuss and point fingers at who should have baked cookies but didn't. It's perfect. Don't you think?

Pathetic.

I thought it was funny.

Sounds like you think Babiarz's aggression against Barskey was funny, too.

Those who do nothing, or do negative things, complaining about those who are actually doing something... just pathetic.

Joe

[Lex]

Sounds like you think Babiarz's aggression against Barskey was funny, too.

My thoughts have sounds? You're start'n to sound a little trippy.

Those who do nothing, or do negative things, complaining about those who are actually doing something... just pathetic.

I agree on that one. It is pathetic. But very typical of couch anarchists and pontificators.

[thinkliberty]

You should start the Petty Little Couch Anarchist Project, your tagline could be:

You should stop requesting blood money from a political gang. Your tag line should be:
I don't request that people use violence on my behalf so I can provide fire services.

I will make you a deal. 

I'll start the Petty Little Couch Anarchist Project, if you promise to stop requesting that people be extorted for your fire department.

That way we both get something we want from each other.

[Lex]

You should start the Petty Little Couch Anarchist Project, your tagline could be:

You should stop requesting blood money from a political gang. Your tag line should be:
I don't request that people use violence on my behalf so I can provide fire services.

I will make you a deal. 

I'll start the Petty Little Couch Anarchist Project, if you promise to stop requesting that people be extorted for your fire department.

That way we both get something we want from each other.

I don't want a Petty Little Couch Anarchist Project, that was merely a suggestion for you (and MaineShark), not for me, but more just trying to lighten up the thread a little.

I am also not in a position to bargain the financial position of the fire department beyond what I stated earlier: If someone puts in the time and effort in finding explicitly voluntary sources of income than John will put in a $0 budget for next year.

I have also at length explained why I have no moral objection to the many services in Grafton being paid for with tax dollars: Most residents aren't philosophers and would rather pay the taxes and move on with life. I don't have the desire to fix something that isn't a problem, I'd rather spend my time doing other things and leave the cultural revolution to someone more apt than myself. On the other hand, I will continue to do what I can to keep the costs to tax payers down by volunteering.

Yes, theoretically, taxes are theft, I fully understand that. But people who are being stolen from don't and before you can change the system you have to convince the people. Period. When I bump into people I tell them that taxes are theft, but I don't go door to door and maybe that's what's really needed.

I'm probably not going to respond to this thread anymore since everything I have wanted to say I have already said (actually, I've said a lot more than I wanted to say, if I offended anyone, I apologize). If someone asks a question that I haven't answered before than I will try to answer it.

[Russell Kanning]

roasting hot dogs over foam is more fun than this

[Free libertarian]

roasting hot dogs over foam is more fun than this

Isn't it past your bedtime? 

[Lloyd Danforth]

MainShark, you could even be president of the Petty Little Couch Anarchists! Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? As president you could sit on a couch and tell other people would to do, I think it would be the perfect job for you. When you get really bored sitting around and pontificating you guys can do a bake sale to raise money for nicer couches. Since no-one will actually bake any cookies you guys will be able to have a lot more things to discuss and point fingers at who should have baked cookies but didn't. It's perfect. Don't you think?

Pathetic.

I thought it was funny.

Sounds like you think Babiarz's aggression against Barskey was funny, too.

Those who do nothing, or do negative things, complaining about those who are actually doing something... just pathetic.

Joe

You mean like the Firearm Safety event at Porcfest, Joe?  I'm not impressed by either of you guys's activism.

[Lloyd Danforth]

  The one thing that is evident to me about that day is that there were no 'Hero's' present.

[MaineShark]

Those who do nothing, or do negative things, complaining about those who are actually doing something... just pathetic.

I agree on that one. It is pathetic. But very typical of couch anarchists and pontificators.

I don't think "pathetic" is even strong enough to cover your inability to provide a response, here.  I've heard better from toddlers.

Joe