Grafton ... top story

[Kat Kanning]

Libertarians in political positions are forced to engage in these mental gymnastics because what they're doing is wrong.  It's wrong to steal.  You can't be in government and not be initiating force.  It's wrong to impose your will on others at the point of a gun.

[MaineShark]

Libertarians in political positions are forced to engage in these mental gymnastics because what they're doing is wrong.  It's wrong to steal.  You can't be in government and not be initiating force.  It's wrong to impose your will on others at the point of a gun.

That there's crazy talk!

The mental gymnastics are amusing, in that "can't look away from a train wreck" sort of way...

Joe

[Free libertarian]

Libertarians in political positions are forced to engage in these mental gymnastics because what they're doing is wrong.  It's wrong to steal.  You can't be in government and not be initiating force.  It's wrong to impose your will on others at the point of a gun.

For the most part I agree.  However I heard there's a guy on the School budget committe that has voted no every time and hasn't signed the budget 2 years running.   

But yeah if it isn't voluntary there are mental gymnastics involved.
 

[tony]

Libertarians in political positions are forced to engage in these mental gymnastics because what they're doing is wrong.  It's wrong to steal.  You can't be in government and not be initiating force.  It's wrong to impose your will on others at the point of a gun.

Mental gymnastics? or pragmatism?
Fifth column during WWII anybody?

[MaineShark]

Libertarians in political positions are forced to engage in these mental gymnastics because what they're doing is wrong.  It's wrong to steal.  You can't be in government and not be initiating force.  It's wrong to impose your will on others at the point of a gun.

Mental gymnastics? or pragmatism?
Fifth column during WWII anybody?

While there are certainly those who are infiltrating the system to do it damage... they generally are not also publicly claiming to be libertarians.  If one's purpose is to infiltrate, one fits in.

Joe

[jerry]

I'm having difficulty with some of the arguments on this thread. 
Lex isn't stealing the tax money I pay to Grafton, he's doing his part to reduce the amount of money the town spends on fire and ambulance services. 
Bob Hull bid the grass mowing job at below cost to do the same thing.
When the folks in town voted to stop paving roads and eliminate the funding of the independence day fireworks in favor of a voluntary fund, they were voting to steal less from the residents.

You guys seem to be complaining that we have not eliminated _all_ government services in Grafton yet, without appreciating the possibility that gradualists and incrementalists can have the same goals as anarchists, just different methods.

[thinkliberty]

I'm having difficulty with some of the arguments on this thread. 

You guys seem to be complaining that we have not eliminated _all_ government services in Grafton yet, without appreciating the possibility that gradualists and incrementalists can have the same goals as anarchists, just different methods.

I don't think _all_ government services should be eliminated. I am just opposed to the use of violence that the government currently uses to provide those services. You seem to believe that violence is the only way a government can provide services to people, when it's not.

They can  offer insurance plans, ask for donations or do something entrepreneurial; Instead of putting a gun to someone's head and pulling the trigger when they don't get the money.

Threatening people with death for not paying for a service isn't something I am comfortable supporting.

I want to live in a place where my neighbors protect each other from people who threaten them with violence. It doesn't matter if the violence is done in the name of a god or for politicians.

My method is for people simply to oppose anyone that wants to kill their neighbors, when they don't give them money for things they want and resist being kidnapped and caged.

If you are requesting that someone pull a gun on someone to provide a service. You need to quit.  I don't care if they are requesting 10 dollars to provide a service or 100 million. 

[Pat K]

roasting hot dogs over foam is more fun than this

Isn't it past your bedtime? 

yes
this is what happens when I have a chocolate smoothie at 9pm

Out of control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Russell Kanning]

i don't feel oppressed by Lex doing volunteer medical and fire work .... he didn't put out my weenie roast

but in this case as others ..... the means are the ends .... or rather certain means lead to certain ends

it is good to hear that some of you that want to put out fires are accumulating equipment and knowhow to do such

[BJ]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Babiarz-for-NH-Governor-2010/143642412328392

[Lloyd Danforth]

John thanks you and asked me to Bump this up

[John]

Just now I realized that I haven't read anything posted on this thread since page 10 ... So, I now read a few posts on this last page and I am reminded why I quit reading it ...
Carry on.

[Lloyd Danforth]

BUMP!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Babiarz-for-NH-Governor-2010/143642412328392

[thinkliberty]

I am not going to vote for John Babiarz unless he issues a public apology to Mike for aggressing against him.

[MaineShark]

I am not going to vote for John Babiarz unless he issues a public apology to Mike for aggressing against him.

I disagree.  He owes Mike whatever restitution Mike requires to make him whole again.  It's up to Mike to let us know what it will take to achieve that.  Could be a public apology (or even a private one).  Could be a thousand ounces of gold.  Maybe Mike can let us know what he thinks it will take?

Joe