Alex's "second internet" idea for NH

[Dave Ridley]

Am trying to get a message to that New Jersey college guy Alex who always calls free talk live.    Well actually I don't really need to talk to him directly just for him to see this.  I heard his call on FTL the other day discussing the creation of a small, second internet in New Hampshire.  I think the idea is really interesting and just wanted to play it up and get it discussed here.

maybe something super small starting in parts of keene or manchester or something where our density is high.... I didn't like the idea of making it exclusive; it should be open to all even more than the current internet.

Alex if you're reading this I guess just pm me and maybe i can air your idea on the ridley report

[SethCohn]

Go read the novel Little Brother (free to download)
It describes setting up the 'X-net', and is technically possible.

[thinkliberty]

It's been figured out, the thing needed to make it work is radios... lots of people need to link their wireless routers together then, we can use dialup and UFH and VFH to link citys together. 

http://72.52.208.92/~gbpprorg/guerrilla.net/index.html

[SethCohn]

http://72.52.208.92/~gbpprorg/guerrilla.net/index.html

last news on that page was 2004.  A bit dated.  More than a bit.

At least link to http://seattlewireless.net

Except if you are going to do it, use encryption.  For many reasons, privacy being #1.
Again, see Little Brother.

[Pat McCotter]

There is also this on building a rural mesh network on the Wireless Africa wiki.

It uses Linksys WRT54GL router with Freifunk and DD-WRT firmware.

It also has a link to building a simple antenna from a can (cantenna).

I
have not done this. I just thought I'd throw it into the mix as it seems fairly straightforward.

[Russell Kanning]

you don't have to look far for your geek advice dada

i can see how a bunch of us could all buy the same router and hook em all up

[SethCohn]

It also has a link to building a simple antenna from a can (cantenna).

Back in April, someone (Jeff and Stephanie?  I can't recall now) created a USB Cantenna FB group/event to buy and build cantennas.  Anyone participate in that?

[orion]

Hey guys. If you are interested in this project, please join my facebook group on the matter:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133499243342828

Thanks!

(P.S. Dave, I sent you a message on FB with some more information)

[anon88241661]

http://72.52.208.92/~gbpprorg/guerrilla.net/index.html

last news on that page was 2004.  A bit dated.  More than a bit.

At least link to http://seattlewireless.net

Except if you are going to do it, use encryption.  For many reasons, privacy being #1.
Again, see Little Brother.

I was involved in trying to set up a project like Seattle Wireless in Florida many years ago.  Basically, an 802.11a backbone with 802.11b (home wireless like devices) connected to it supported by a university in the area.

The problem that we ran into is that it was in North Florida where there are lots of trees.  Trees hold lots of water and water
absorbs microwave energy very well (think boiling water in your home microwave to cook instant rice).   The humidity in the air and the tree cover basically made it impossible.  North Florida also has no high elevated points on which antennas could be
placed in order to get "above" the tree canopy.  Seattle Wireless made extensive use of their topography.

In NH, you have the topography in the northern part.  But, you also have tons of trees.  So, you may be able to do it somewhere
like there if you can get clear line of sight between enough antennas.  But, I don't think it's viable is Nashua/Manchester/Salem type areas.

I was involved in this project before 911.  911 changed everything.  If you have an open wireless network where you're not
doing any authentication, you'll eventually get a visit from the Feds and they will make every effort to make your life miserable; expensive and miserable.  I think this would especially be the case for a large scale open wireless network like the one
being discussed here.

I would recommend that everyone take a look at Tor and build a virtual network on top of the existing internet composed entirely of .onion sites so that no traffic ever leaves the encrypted virtual network.   I've run a non-exit (relay) Tor node for
years.

  - anon