FSP Sedition

[Lloyd Danforth]

Where are you? I'll give you directions.

[Eli]

I'm pretty sure if I go north on 95 I'll get their eventually.  Unfortunately, if I can't get my wife to agree to come I'll have to walk from the mason dixon line.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Steal he car.  When she comes to NH to retrieve it, she'll love it so much she won't want to leave!

[Friday]

Just curious, but what would be the disadvantage of starting a competitive group to the FSP to try and recruit people to the free state?

I understand it would be somewhat confusing from a publicity stand point but maybe we can spin this in a way that would give the FSP and our version different personalities. FSP could be the more conservative/establishment version and we could be the underground version without any major hierarchy or registration as an organization. We could also be more targeted. Any recruts we get would be encouraged to also register with the FSP.

I know it sounds a bit chaotic but from the dialogue in this thread I get the impression that most people here feel like they aren't getting a chance to do any organized recruiting and so this underground version of the fsp might give us all the chance. Maybe one of our projects could be the Freedom Bus?

We could fund ourselves similar to the way Free Talk Live does it.

Thanks for the good ideas, eukreign. I was initially very angry about Kat and Russell's plan to "compete" with PorcFest. Now I'm not so sure.  Personally, I need more time to ponder this idea of competing organizations.  What do others think?

[Friday]

Any admission from the board that there's any sort of problem?

Jean and Adam have both admitted to its lack of perfection.  No discussion of anything actually changing, though. Mostly just calling those who criticize "whiners".

[Friday]

Riight on, buddy!     Let's see what, if anything, we can come up with.

er, sorry, that was directed at Russell's initial response to my post. Guess I left out the quote. 

[Friday]

I bet Samuel Adams' group didn't have bank accounts to be siezed.

I don't think that's correct.  Some of the original patriots were wealthy men. They gambled their personal fortunes. But what is that in comparison to gambling your LIFE? No matter what happens, I don't think anyone on the FSP Board is going to kill me. 

[Dreepa]

Just curious, but what would be the disadvantage of starting a competitive group to the FSP to try and recruit people to the free state?

I understand it would be somewhat confusing from a publicity stand point but maybe we can spin this in a way that would give the FSP and our version different personalities. FSP could be the more conservative/establishment version and we could be the underground version without any major hierarchy or registration as an organization. We could also be more targeted. Any recruts we get would be encouraged to also register with the FSP.

I know it sounds a bit chaotic but from the dialogue in this thread I get the impression that most people here feel like they aren't getting a chance to do any organized recruiting and so this underground version of the fsp might give us all the chance. Maybe one of our projects could be the Freedom Bus?

We could fund ourselves similar to the way Free Talk Live does it.

Thanks for the good ideas, eukreign. I was initially very angry about Kat and Russell's plan to "compete" with PorcFest. Now I'm not so sure.? Personally, I need more time to ponder this idea of competing organizations.? What do others think?

yeah I was thinking 'come on guys don't do that' but then I was thinking maybe porcfest should not be run by FSP buy by locals.
FSP should be recruit only right?

[Lloyd Danforth]

Friday, Dreepa
I, also had initial problems with this, but, you have me thinking. ?More than anything else Porcfest is an event for Porcs to come and see NH and hang out with other Porcs. Personally, I would not miss the speakers and I imagine they cost something. Anyone with something to sell or push, could simply show up and set up a table.
I think I heard that Porcfest make $ for the FSP, but, I'm not sure how. Maybee the dinner?
The only thing I see that has to be done from an organizational angle is to get the discount from Rogers.

[Russell Kanning]

I bet Samuel Adams' group didn't have bank accounts to be siezed.

I don't think that's correct. Some of the original patriots were wealthy men.

I mean that the actual organizations that met in bars and so forth did not have assets. We don't need to have boards, form corporations and fill out government paperwork to spend money and do activities. It can come straight from the volunteers.

[Friday]

Ok people say there are not enough ideas.

1. Better BOD meeting minutes.
2. A plan by the board for the upcoming year for
     How many members for certain deadlines. (Goals)
     How to raise more money.
     How to spend that money wisely.
     How to teach people how to recruit.
     Plans to get the new people very active
     Plans to give more info about NH so people can move.
3.  Open communication about the above.
4.  Something like the activist army where the 'gogetters' want to do more.  (I have no idea why it failed but all the people bitching on this board can either join or be quiet.  -- or at least put your dick back in your pants.)
5.  Plan some way of commenting without comprising the FSP goals when activists do take action. (and maybe that is being done and the reporters aren't reporting-- but if that is the case then the FSP should then get a retraction or post the full story on the website)
6. Excite the local groups

Jon I will cross post this on the FSP forum as well.

Thanks for your ideas, Dreepa. A lot of them have already been tried.  Guess it can't hurt to try them again, though!

With regards to the AA, I was irritated to discover that the people in charge of that project completely blew off their public promise to "reward" those who completed every assignment. I did every assignment, and didn't get so much as a private email of acknowledgement in response. The results of the AA were never revealed to us peons who joined and participated, so I have no way to judge its efficacy (although I get the impression that results were really bad). I wouldn't bother participating in such a project a second time.

[kater]

Okay, let's go back to jumping up and down on me again, then.   

Will you guys please give me a chance to be a decent festival organizer?  As soon as I can make an announcement re: place and time, I'm going to ask (again) for a lot of help and input, and while I have some ideas about what the festival should be like, I'm not blind to the fact that without happy attendees it'd suck.  There is no secret plan, and I want to put on a festival that you all will enjoy. 

FWIW, I think it'd take a miracle for the festival to make money for the FSP.  Without having the numbers from last year literally in front of me, I can't remember an item that did more than cover itself...  Speakers were not among the largest expenses, as I recall.

Oh what the hell.  Here's some info on what I want from the festival:  1) socializing, 2) organizing.  I think that any organized speakers/workshops/etc. should be geared toward learning about NH issues and learning various ropes of being activists here.  That's because I want the festival to excite current residents/movers, get members to move, and get interested folks to join.  Obviously, it's the concrete stuff that does that.  I hope you guys will gear up to help.

[FTL_Ian]

Thank you, TN-FSP! But I disagree that the FSP is fine. *You* are doing a great job, and Ian, and a painfully few others, in trying to recruit new members. But it's just not enough, IMHO. We need a new strategy.

TN-FSP rocks!  Thank you for the comments, Friday.  While I understand that not everyone listens to talk radio, I think enough do to get the FSP to 20,000.  I'm all for new ideas, but at the same time, if more of our activists do what Lauren Canario just did, my show would be so much more effective at recruiting.  Lauren is our newest Platinum AMPlifier!  That means she's contributing $25 a month to Free Talk Live's AMP program!  Now, we only ask for $3 a month so $25 is way above and beyond the call of duty.

Thanks to Lauren's contribution, we've eclipsed $700 a month for AMP.  Every dollar is being spent on promoting FTL to more stations and internet listeners.

We're at 7% of our goal.  Can you help?  http://amp.freetalklive.com

Be like Lauren, join AMP!   

[Lloyd Danforth]

Okay, let's go back to jumping up and down on me again, then.? ?

Will you guys please give me a chance to be a decent festival organizer?? As soon as I can make an announcement re: place and time, I'm going to ask (again) for a lot of help and input, and while I have some ideas about what the festival should be like, I'm not blind to the fact that without happy attendees it'd suck.? There is no secret plan, and I want to put on a festival that you all will enjoy.?

FWIW, I think it'd take a miracle for the festival to make money for the FSP.? Without having the numbers from last year literally in front of me, I can't remember an item that did more than cover itself...? Speakers were not among the largest expenses, as I recall.

Oh what the hell.? Here's some info on what I want from the festival:? 1) socializing, 2) organizing.? I think that any organized speakers/workshops/etc. should be geared toward learning about NH issues and learning various ropes of being activists here.? That's because I want the festival to excite current residents/movers, get members to move, and get interested folks to join.? Obviously, it's the concrete stuff that does that.? I hope you guys will gear up to help.

I wasn't jumping on you, Kate, I was opining on changes to the porcfest.  I had heard that it made us money, but, could not imagine how.
I heard that the dinner, while elegant, didn't make expectations.  If the speakers aren't among the largest expense, what is?, the Hall we house them in?
In any case, this was not aimed at you, and, I am not suggesting changes, of any kind, as you well know, for this year, just thoughts about the future.
I was going to add to my post above that the porcfest become a camping, hanging out, NH centric affair and we consider an Weekend long, FSP seminar at a Hotel in C. or M., with speakers and events that could raise some bucks, and accomadate those that only show up on Saturday, although if the recruiting numbers don't start getting up there, I'm not sure why the organization needs more money.
Lloyd

[kater]

Hey Lloyd,

I was mostly kidding--you've been great about disagreeing nicely on festival stuff, and I hope I can get suggestions for change from you anyway.  I'm not under the impression that anything is perfect.

I'm not into the seminar idea at all, actually, in part because I think there's no reason to split the hanging out from the gearing up.  They're so intertwined for us. 

More money is always good, I guess; the latest example being the board's sincere wish to hire a PR firm and the interminable discussion regarding how to make it work in the FSP budget. The org isn't exactly rolling in money, and my impression is that it's usually the little things that add up.  T-shirts, postage, printing, an ad here or there and bam--you're broke.  Anyway, not my territory, just my opinion.  The festival isn't a fundraiser.   

Kate