We had to kick Ethan out

[Fluff and Stuff]

If you can't handle a little drama on the Intertubez, maybe you're not ready to fight statists who would lock you up as soon as listen to you protest a little bit.

Some of us aren't about fighting.  Peace is the path.

[Russell Kanning]

using the term "drama" evokes the image of overemphasising something

after someone in my community refuses to fix bad behavior after being talked with by me and some friends, it is time for the entire group to be brought in
if that person doesn't change under the pressure of the entire group, then it is time to expel that person from our midst

in this case, someone in our community was cozying up to children for his own  pleasure against the wishes of the parents. This behavior has to stop if he wants to be an upstanding member of our community. We are not using physical pain against him. If we are wrong, we can reverse our ideas and opinions with not much harm done. Making it hard for him to have access to our children seems like the appropriate action.

this is not a political stategy. this is a nonviolent, peaceful,  loving way of living. I think it will lead to happier lives, less pain, and a greater world as it spreads to other communities. I am guided by Jesus instructions in Matthew 18 and Paul's way of dealing with sin inside church communities.

you can join our community. you can just observe our group. you can even comment about it. but don't expect us to change for the sake of political correctness or to conform our actions to the norms of modern american society.

[MaineShark]

using the term "drama" evokes the image of overemphasising something

after someone in my community refuses to fix bad behavior after being talked with by me and some friends, it is time for the entire group to be brought in
if that person doesn't change under the pressure of the entire group, then it is time to expel that person from our midst

in this case, someone in our community was cozying up to children for his own  pleasure against the wishes of the parents. This behavior has to stop if he wants to be an upstanding member of our community. We are not using physical pain against him. If we are wrong, we can reverse our ideas and opinions with not much harm done. Making it hard for him to have access to our children seems like the appropriate action.

I can't speak for BJ, but I assumed he was referring to the side-issue of the situation between Barskey and Lou, rather than Ethan's behavior.

Joe

[rs38bj]

using the term "drama" evokes the image of overemphasising something

after someone in my community refuses to fix bad behavior after being talked with by me and some friends, it is time for the entire group to be brought in
if that person doesn't change under the pressure of the entire group, then it is time to expel that person from our midst

in this case, someone in our community was cozying up to children for his own  pleasure against the wishes of the parents. This behavior has to stop if he wants to be an upstanding member of our community. We are not using physical pain against him. If we are wrong, we can reverse our ideas and opinions with not much harm done. Making it hard for him to have access to our children seems like the appropriate action.

I can't speak for BJ, but I assumed he was referring to the side-issue of the situation between Barskey and Lou, rather than Ethan's behavior.

Joe

Joe is correct, that and other side issues here and there, and some of the videos (mainly from keene)

I wouldnt refer to an issue that potentially brings harm to children and on private property as drama. 

[dalebert]

I wouldnt refer to an issue that potentially brings harm to children and on private property as drama.

I don't think it was addressed to me but FWIW and for the record, I wasn't referring to any specific thing.  Only that it's to be expected that you will have so-called "drama" when you have such instant electronic communication about everything going on in people's lives and amongst people with a lot of differences in views.  I've learned that trying to control it for whatever reason (P.R.?) is futile and just causes more personal stress than the original "drama".

[Russell Kanning]

that is good to hear bj ..... especially since you will be rejoining our part of the shire someday

i agree with Dale

i think we will have to come up with our own special term for fun drama like baking disasters

maybe drahma

or maybe a special phrase for keeniac drama

[rs38bj]

I wouldnt refer to an issue that potentially brings harm to children and on private property as drama.

I've learned that trying to control it for whatever reason (P.R.?) is futile and just causes more personal stress than the original "drama".

yes this is 100% correct, if only I could figure out how to live life that way

[littlehawk]

Why post these allegations online?...instead of sitting down together and speaking in private.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Possibly to give a 'heads up' to the parents of other children he may encounter.

[Puke]

My concern lies with the image that it presents to a wider demographic.

That we are human and have emotions and problems?
Welcome to reality friend.

I wouldn't have joined a movement that kept petty secrets for the sake of PR.

[Puke]

Why post these allegations online?...instead of sitting down together and speaking in private.

We don't all live in a giant box. People have not talked about issues in the past and other people got burned.
A forum is a digital version of "sitting down together". There just isn't the private part.

[Tom Sawyer]

That we are human...

Still trying to fool people into thinking you're human, huh... you freakin' cyborg!   

[Puke]

Still trying to fool people into thinking you're human, huh... you freakin' cyborg!   

They're on to me! 

[dalebert]

...you freakin' cyborg!   

Lizard man, actually.

[Radical_Teen]

Did you see Ethan interact with Kira in ways you didn't like? Or with anyone else?

Just for the record Ethan never touched me or do any harm to me.  That said I'm not sure if Ethan actually did any harm. Now before you get in my face about my opinion just hear what I have to say. What I saw was Ethan telling the boys some things that some might think inappropriate and they may be right in thinking that. When I mention it to the boys there response was they had heard that sort of thing before growing up with their older siblings. Later that night I saw Daniel massaging Ethan's back. Though it is a bit strange to have a 11 year old give a massage to a 19 year old but I don't think there was any real harm in it. I don't know what Ethan's intentions were but from what I saw they were only friends with a few boundary crossed that the parents didn't like. Now I can't know how the parents are feeling without having kids of my own but from the kids point of view there was nothing here ,witnessed, that would do harm to the kids. Did Ethan do something shouldn't have? Maybe so I wouldn't deny that he said or did things that the parents wouldn't want him to do. But did he do any harm to the kids most likely not. From experience, I know that what will really messes with a kid is the parents reaction to the situation. If the parents react harshly towards Ethan that will stay with the kid more that whatever Ethan did to him. I'm not trying to take Ethan's side on the issue, he is no friend of mine, but I'm just try to put it all in the prospective. If this is really for the kids safety I think maybe the kids should say for them self's if they didn't like what Ethan was doing. All that said I am glad he is out of the house before something bad happened. I think people living here had every right to kick him off the property. Though I think there was no real harm done I think he didn't respect the parents authority.