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NH politicos kidnap newborn infant 'cause father is a member of "oath keepers"

Started by thinkliberty, October 07, 2010, 06:10 PM NHFT

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Kat Kanning


KBCraig

Quote from: Tom Sawyer on October 12, 2010, 01:55 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on October 12, 2010, 01:23 PM NHFT
I don't believe the document was doctored. The "questionable" image shows paragraph 7 on the same page as paragraph 6, but misaligned. Other images show the first page ending with paragraph 6, and the second page starting with paragraph 7. In all cases the wording is the same.

It still looks to me like the "joining" of the two was from a bad scan or fax.

They were from two separate documents. Someone combined them...

A link to the documents...
Irish family affidavit

That looks like two different pages of the same document, not two different documents.

Odd redaction.

Tom Sawyer

The first document is the affidavit for why they took the child. The second is a motion to change the venue. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39099480/Irish-family-affidavit#

I thought you'd be more savy in these matters KB.

The combining of the two is not necessarily that big a deal, but it is an alteration that someone did. The question is why. Perhaps because most of the affidavit is blacked out and people's reaction is, 'hmmm. wonder what is under all that black?'

Again all this doesn't change my feelings towards the system they have to take kids. In fact I know a child that was sexually assaulted after being taken from the parents over pot. But, the potential blowback from defending unscrupulous people means I am critical on such matters.

Dave Ridley


KBCraig

The print-only edition of the Union Leader will cover the latest developments in the Thursday edition.

With the tone of their online promo, I have to wonder how it will read.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=27aa3244-d970-4d55-b510-24db852d24a0

Only in Print: Baby whisked away from parents during visit

By CLYNTON NAMUO
New Hampshire Union Leader Correspondent
3 hours, 42 minutes ago

DOVER – Paramedics whisked newborn Cheyenne Irish from a visit with her parents Johnathan Irish and Stephanie Taylor yesterday afternoon and took her into a waiting ambulance, adding a new layer to a child custody battle that has grabbed headlines nationwide.]/i]


Russell Kanning


Jacobus


I found this comment on the Free Keene story:

QuoteRachel on Thu, 14th Oct 2010 12:31 am

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

William N. Grigg of LewRockwell.com:

"I just spoke with someone very close to the principals in this matter, and it seems clear that Baby Cheyenne was NOT molested/abused in DCYF custody. The bleeding appears to be a normal after-effect of birth, and the fact that she's lost weight isn't unusual (this happened with each of my six children at that stage). That's good news. "

thinkliberty

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/10/nobody-gets-their-kids-back.html (william griggs blog)

QuoteAccording to a source on the ground in New Hampshire who is very close to the principals in the story, Cheyenne Irish was not sexually abused. She was rushed to be examined by a specialist dealing with victims of child sexual abuse; that specialist reportedly concluded that no abuse had occurred.

In interviews today, Jonathan Irish's father has made it abundantly clear that he considers his son to be a disturbed and potentially dangerous individual. That view is reportedly shared by other people long acquainted with Mr. Irish. Assuming -- for now -- that  there is merit to that characterization, we're still left with this question: If the father is the problem, why was the mother charged with neglect for the act of having the baby?

AntonLee

I have to wonder what type of abuse was put upon the baby less than 24 hours old?

karenijohnson

 http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital
Baby in foster care sent to hospital  (CHEYENNE) RELEASED back to foster care
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital

Baby in foster care sent to hospital
By Maddie Hanna
Created 10/14/2010 - 00:00

The newborn taken from an Epsom couple last week by state social workers was sent to the hospital yesterday but is fine, officials said last night.

Parents Johnathon Irish and Stephanie Taylor had a supervised visit with their daughter and a state social worker yesterday at a Strafford County administration building and during the visit "there was some concern about the possibility of some blood that was seen in a diaper," said Capt. Joseph DiGregorio of the Strafford County Sheriff's Office.

As a "precautionary measure," DiGregorio said, the sheriff's office decided to have the baby examined at Exeter Hospital.

But there was "no indication of any abuse," he said. "Zero. Nothing." The baby was back in foster care last night, DiGregorio said.

The state cited concerns over a history of domestic violence between Irish and Taylor to support its seizure of the baby. Court documents also mention Irish's affiliation with anti-totalitarian group the Oath Keepers. Several websites and blogs reported yesterday that the child, "Baby Cheyenne," had been taken to the hospital to be treated for sexual abuse, generating outrage among the couple's supporters.

But "the baby is absolutely fine," said Maggie Bishop, the director of the state Division for Children, Youth, and Families. "The baby is healthy, safe, and absolutely fine."

    * New Hampshire

Source URL: http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/220349/baby-in-foster-care-sent-to-hospital

Dave Ridley


karenijohnson

unionleader.com >> State expected to return infant daughter of 'Oath Keeper'

State expected to return infant daughter of 'Oath Keeper'
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=State+expected+to+return+infant+daughter+of+%27Oath+Keeper%27&articleId=210cc660-1760-4c50-972a-7558da3360dc

By CLYNTON NAMUO
Union Leader Correspondent
3 hours, 16 minutes ago

DOVER – Johnathan Irish and Stephanie Taylor emerged from a closed family court hearing Thursday afternoon with smiles on their faces and indicated they may be getting back their daughter Cheyenne, whom state officials took from them hours after her birth last week.

Irish said he was instructed to say nothing about the hearing, citing a state confidentiality law, but said: "A picture's worth a thousand words. What's a smile worth?"

All indications were that Irish and Taylor received good news at the hearing.

"I haven't seen you smile in a while," Irish's mother Nancy, who declined to give her last name, said just before embracing her son.

Nancy added: "Justice prevails."

Irish also told her he had to get a car seat ready.

Cheyenne's removal sparked an outcry, despite the states numerous allegations of domestic violence and untreated mental health problems, because of a single line in the affidavit used to justify the newborns taking.

"The division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers and had purchased several different types of weapons including a rifle, handgun and taser," says the confidential, two-page affidavit, which was provided to the New Hampshire Union Leader.

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Read all about it in Friday's New Hampshire Union Leader, available at newsstands everywhere.

karenijohnson

IRISH/Stephanie>> have custody of CHEYENNE...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C

http://www.wmur.com/news/25394494/detail.html
Father Happy With Court's Decision Over Child Custody
Man Says Affiliation With Group 1 Reason Why Baby Taken

POSTED: 5:17 pm EDT October 14, 2010
UPDATED: 5:55 pm EDT October 14, 2010
DOVER, N.H. -- An Epsom, N.H., father was overjoyed Thursday at a court's decision over the custody of his newborn daughter.

The state took custody of Jonathon Irish's baby shortly after she was born at Concord Hospital, citing neglect claims. The situation prompted protests outside Thursday's custody hearing in Dover.

Irish was smiling after he left the hearing Thursday and hooked up a car seat in his vehicle. A judge's gag order prevented him from saying exactly what happened.

"A picture's worth 1,000 words," Irish said. "What's a smile worth?"

The controversy over the case started last week, when the Department of Children, Youth and Families took Irish's daughter, Cheyenne, into custody 16 hours after she was born.

Irish and his girlfriend said the state cited abuse and neglect claims. But Irish said officials also took the baby because they were uneasy about his involvement in a group called the Oath Keepers, which claims to uphold the constitution.

The state said it doesn't take someone's political views into consideration when they get involved with a family.

But members of the Oath Keepers protested at the courthouse and said the state unfairly used their group's name as a reason to take custody of the child.

"People are worried that if they speak out or join some particular group that someday down the road, it could come back to haunt them or be used against them in a proceeding about their children," said Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers.

The baby's grandfather also showed up at the court to tell people he doesn't think Irish should get custody because he's not fit to be a good father.

Irish's mother showed up to defend her son and said her main concern is for the baby's well-being.

State officials aren't commenting on the case, especially because it involves a young child.

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Dave Ridley