Drama in my neighborhood continues ... Maybe I should just move ...

[leetninja]

OMG. Really you guys are nuts. You've got some problems. This guy is telling you a story of how his neighbor wants to kill him, and you're complaining aboiut being "peaceful". This isn't a fucking kumbaya protest circle if these allegations are true - this kid has a serious problem. Grow up time, it sounds like cops or his gun are the only thing that could help him - some people can't be reasoned with. By the sounds of it this neighbor outright has an age-induced psychological/physiological problem.

he's a troll? You guys are LIFE trolls.

Hey, how about this. How about YOU guys go and try to talk to this neighbor if your peaceful ways are so effective. See how far that goes...

Ed, donlt you realize that I should just get hit by the plow and not do anything?  I should let this guy abuse me and bully me.  My neighbor should let him run his child down as well.  All of us should move away and never defend ourselves in any way what so ever and just let him drive us all out of town.  He is right, we are wrong.  If any of us make any move to defend or just even live our lives we are automatically wrong in the eyes of John and Russel and Kat etc.

This will most likely be the last post I make in this insignificant forum that has been relatively unsupportive.  This isn'tthe first time my topic has been moved to where no one will see it, or the first time that people have attacked me with negativity and tried to belittle my situation but it certainly IS the last. 


Thanks Ed - I mean that you and craig and a couple others seem to get it - the rest are going to sit by a campfire while bullies and tyrants violently beat them to death because if they DEFEND themselves Gandhi would disapprove ...

Fuck this place. 

For the record, I hope to never have to shoot anything other than a paper target.  I don't think that a gun is a solution nor do I like the idea of dealing with these useless cops.  I just want to live my life peacefully and this guy is impeding on my freedoms and life.  But I guess I should live in fear and cower in the corner rather than dealing with it because that is the way of this "underground"

Pathetic.

[Tom Sawyer]

Boohoo

People take the time to give input, but because some dare disagree with your predetermined position you pout.

Many here aren't pacifists, me included, but the pacifists have done much to prove their bravery to me. I have learned much from the nonviolent approach, I view it as a pragmatic choice...

Take Ed with you, I am tired of the desire to lump everyone here as one... we've had several years of dealing with the same lame ass arguments.

[shyfrog]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/gandhi-and-the-dalai-lama-are-not-opposed-to-guns.html

I see nothing wrong with acting in self-defense after all other means have been exhausted or there is no other choice.

To say that non-violence and pacifism is the ONLY way is to be a slave to those who will use force as their ONLY way.

[MaineShark]

Years ago, when my life was threatened, I asked a criminal lawyer what it would cost me if I had to kill someone in self defense.   I was shocked to hear that defending a "totally righteous" shooting could cost me $50,000.  (this was in Pennsylvania--your mileage may vary)

That's roughly what it costs, here.

All of us should move away and never defend ourselves in any way what so ever and just let him drive us all out of town.  He is right, we are wrong.  If any of us make any move to defend or just even live our lives we are automatically wrong in the eyes of John and Russel and Kat etc.

This will most likely be the last post I make in this insignificant forum that has been relatively unsupportive.  This isn'tthe first time my topic has been moved to where no one will see it, or the first time that people have attacked me with negativity and tried to belittle my situation but it certainly IS the last. 


Thanks Ed - I mean that you and craig and a couple others seem to get it - the rest are going to sit by a campfire while bullies and tyrants violently beat them to death because if they DEFEND themselves Gandhi would disapprove ...

Fuck this place. 

For the record, I hope to never have to shoot anything other than a paper target.  I don't think that a gun is a solution nor do I like the idea of dealing with these useless cops.  I just want to live my life peacefully and this guy is impeding on my freedoms and life.  But I guess I should live in fear and cower in the corner rather than dealing with it because that is the way of this "underground"

You've made the same assertions, in the past.  And I addressed it, then.

No one's saying that you have to be a pacifist.  Aside from Gandhi's thoughts on gun control, which shyfrog linked, here's my favorite Gandhi quote:

I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully.

Yes, some folks believe in non-violence, and would even die rather than defend themselves.  But even if Gandhi doesn'e believe in using violence, he certainly doesn't demand that you renounce violence, and would rather you use it, than just roll over for the bully.

On the other hand, whether or not it's true, you certainly come across as looking for an excuse to use violence.  Maybe that's not your intent, but multiple individuals are picking that up, so it's likely what you are communicating, even if not.  It's certainly no secret (heck, there are court records - there's a reason I was able to answer Jerry's post, above) that I've been forced to defend myself with a firearm.  I've no regret over how I handled that situation (I'd be a corpse if I acted otherwise, so regrets would be silly).  I didn't lose a wink of sleep over it, then or later.  In the same situation, I'd act the same way.  I did my best to defuse the situation, and left the choice of how it would play out, up to him.  He chose to attempt to pull a gun, and he learned that I was a faster draw, the hard way.  Such is life.

The thing is... I didn't choose for the situation to occur (as with your nutty neighbor), but I didn't look for excuses to escalate the level of violence.  When he chose to escalate it, I reacted in the only way that makes sense, to me.  Whether or not you intend it, it certainly reads like you're looking for excuses to escalate things.  Maybe you aren't but, even to someone as heavily-armed and supportive of self-defense as I am, that's how it reads.  So, either you've engaging in revenge fantasies, or you need to work on your communication skills.

Because, even if Russell and some others prefer nonviolence, you have to admit that they don't seem to have a problem with someone like me, who is willing to use violence as a last resort.  Something tells me that it's because I'm willing to use violence as a last resort, that they feel that way.  When you start bumping violence higher and higher up the ladder, folks start to have issues with you.  When you make violence the first resort, like Ed does, all rational people will have an issue with you.  If I need to, I will defend myself with lethal force.  And I won't even feel remorse, because I'll know that I gave him every chance I could to avoid creating the situation that made it necessary.

Joe

[Russell Kanning]

Do you realize Ed .... that you are coming onto our forum and telling me and my friends that we are trolls .... and trolls for LIFE?

We are always going to offer a more nonviolent path as the better solution in all situations.

We sometimes even sing kombuya or whatever peacenic song it takes to drive the more violent elements away.
John and I really like some of the songs

[Kat Kanning]

All together now!

Kumbaya My Lord

[Ed]

he's made it clear he doesn't want to have to use violence at all, and no one has suggested otherwise

but it's pretty clear singing kumbaya isn't going to stop this guy, if OP's stories are true

you guys are in massive denial

[Kat Kanning]

No we're not.

[MaineShark]

You know, it's pretty funny, because Ed has said, on the FSP forum, that self-defense is immoral, and only government thugs have the authority to defend others.

But he's going to tell "us" (since he groups everyone together, like any bigot) that we're opposed to self-defense.

Joe

[Ed]

I never said anything like that

you're a disingenuous fuck

[MaineShark]

You said it, and repeated it, multiple times in your deranged little rants over there.

Anyone who cares, can easily verify it.  Of course, your rants on this forum are enough that no decent person would think of you as anything other than scum, so I doubt many will bother.

Joe

[Ed]

I never said anything like that

you've said that shooting federal agents is "morally defensible" and that you have the right to murder someone over something so small as keying your car. A guy, in real life, waited for some kid to cross his lawn, and then murdered him. And you say he had the right to do that

the vast majority of people would thnk of YOU as scum, and you know it.
What's it like being the only "decent" person in the world, in your deranged mind? It must be hell surrounded by all these statist monsters every time you get gas, go shopping, or do anythign

[MaineShark]

I never said anything like that

Yes, you did.  I called you on it, and you reiterated that it was exactly what you believed.  So there's no doubt.

you've said that shooting federal agents is "morally defensible"...

Certainly.  Each and every one of them supports terror and murder, among other injustices.  The best of them are far worse than Leet's crazy neighbor.

...and that you have the right to murder someone over something so small as keying your car. A guy, in real life, waited for some kid to cross his lawn, and then murdered him. And you say he had the right to do that

No.  No one has the right to murder anyone.  By definition.

People do have the right to defend themselves.  Sometimes, that might be in a way that causes me to ostracize them, because simply having the right to do something, doesn't mean it's a good idea.

You, on the other hand, actively support a system that murdered a quarter of a billion men, women, and innocent children in the last century.  You cheer on the system that saw soldiers tossing babies in the air and catching them on their bayonets.  You bow down before the scum who fire-bombed cities.  You demand support for the descendants of the monsters who built Auschwitz.

Somehow, I think my moral position is a wee bit less easy to assail than yours...

the vast majority of people would thnk of YOU as scum, and you know it.

The vast majority think that vaporizing cities with nuclear weapons was a good idea.  If they didn't think poorly of me, I would worry.

What's it like being the only "decent" person in the world, in your deranged mind? It must be hell surrounded by all these statist monsters every time you get gas, go shopping, or do anythign

I live in a fairly decent place, so I'm far from the only decent person around.  There are dozens of decent people within an easy walk of my house.  I'm not lonely, at all.

Joe

[Ed]

I never said anything like that

all you have is slander and false equivalencies

and thanks for proving my point that you're at odds with the vast majority of people

a dude is asking for advice with a serious problem, and all you can do is complain about "statists"

[Ed]

you know what?

I was going to wait for Joe to diarhoea mouth a little more, perhaps in the vein of I didn't really help either

But I'll just propose it outright. I'm surprised leetninja hasn't put up one of those websites with a paypal thingy asking for money to deal with this problem. I've seen other bloggers do it before. But if he did have one I'd donate $50 right off the spot. Furthermore, if he can provide me with proof/video of these instances, I'd mail money to a lawyer up there if I saw an image of a bill if he wants a consultation, or another professional like a private detctive. I'm only promising $200/month for the next 3 months so far.
Money only will be sent to said professional(s). I can call said professional to verify that this guy saw him with his story. And I can rent out a P.O. box for my own anonymity sake.