Global cooling

[Riddler]

guess i'm NOT going to sell a snowmobile to this guy, eh?

You never know. If the Gulf Stream shuts down, we'll all be driving snowmobiles.

won't be much interest in leisure activities, if that happpens
we'll all be burning furniture & people for heat
Soylent Green........IT'S PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[J’raxis 270145]

Mess with the atmospheric chemistry at your peril. You won't get a second chance.

Why won't we? Even if we do mess up the atmosphere to the point that significant climate change occurs, what makes you think that's permanent, or that it would kill off humanity before it swings back? How often has the atmospheric chemistry changed in the past without killing us all?

[Riddler]

...history shows again & again, how nature picks out the folly of mennnnnnnn, Godzilla!
(I could be improvising on the lyrics here)

[Tommy Gun]

Just wanted to post this in case anyone missed it.  I don't think much of global warming either.

Wednesday, November 07, 2007
Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming 'Greatest Scam in History'

Intro by Joe D'Aleo, Icecap, CCM

I was privileged to work with John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel in the year before it became a reality and then for the first of the 6 years I was fortunate to be the Director of Meteorology. No one worked harder than John to make The Weather Channel a reality and to make sure the staffing, the information and technology was the very best possible at that time.  John currently works with KUSI in San Diego. He posts regularly. I am very pleased to present his latest insightful post.

By John Coleman

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minute documentary segment.

I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you "believe in." It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won't believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.

I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/comments_about_global_warming/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9laiUXS1o

« Last Edit: November 09, 2007, 12:21 AM NHFT by CNHT, Reason: Added John Stossel\'s video w/17,000 scientist who say Al Gore is daft »

[KBCraig]

...history shows again & again, how nature picks out the folly of mennnnnnnn, Godzilla!
(I could be improvising on the lyrics here)

I don't know the lyrics, but I gotta give you a +1 on that one. 

[John Edward Mercier]

Just wanted to post this in case anyone missed it.  I don't think much of global warming either.

Wednesday, November 07, 2007
Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming 'Greatest Scam in History'

Intro by Joe D'Aleo, Icecap, CCM

I was privileged to work with John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel in the year before it became a reality and then for the first of the 6 years I was fortunate to be the Director of Meteorology. No one worked harder than John to make The Weather Channel a reality and to make sure the staffing, the information and technology was the very best possible at that time.  John currently works with KUSI in San Diego. He posts regularly. I am very pleased to present his latest insightful post.

By John Coleman

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minute documentary segment.

I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you "believe in." It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won't believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.

I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/comments_about_global_warming/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9laiUXS1o

« Last Edit: November 09, 2007, 12:21 AM NHFT by CNHT, Reason: Added John Stossel\'s video w/17,000 scientist who say Al Gore is daft »

He's probably right...
Sulfur dioxide acts as a cooling agent in the atmosphere. And I believe China is building coal plants at an accelerate rate.

[erisian]

One good volcanic eruption could trigger the next ice age, too.

Mainstream science has a long history of being completely wrong, and of ignoring and suppressing radical or dissenting theories. No argument there. The point is that no one really understands the climate system. Since our understanding is flawed and limited, it is nothing but stupid to run around playing "What does this button do?" when pushing the wrong one could wipe us out.

The evidence is that many climate-related phenomena behave nonlinearly. The Gulf Stream shutdown is one such phenomenon. When the salinity in the North Atlantic drops below some as yet unknown trigger level, the Gulf Stream simply stops. It doesn't slow down in proportion to the salinity change. It just stops, and it happens fast. Start messing with the climate, and you are bound to find more trigger points.

Sure, the Gulf Stream will come back... eventually. The geologic evidence shows that it generally takes between 50 and 500 years. That's a lot longer than I want to wait for spring.

[John Edward Mercier]

Ice ages are largely a mix of orbital and axial variation... most other things have shorter term effects (years/decades/centuries). NH suffered snowfall in July from a volcanic eruption (can't remember the year)... but the change only lasted one year. Something like a Yellowstone eruption would have a larger longer term effect, but the temperature in New England would be the least of concerns.

[Riddler]

...history shows again & again, how nature picks out the folly of mennnnnnnn, Godzilla!
(I could be improvising on the lyrics here)

I don't know the lyrics, but I gotta give you a +1 on that one. 

With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He pulls the spitting high tension wires dowwwwwn .......

[Pat McCotter]

Ice ages are largely a mix of orbital and axial variation... most other things have shorter term effects (years/decades/centuries). NH suffered snowfall in July from a volcanic eruption (can't remember the year)... but the change only lasted one year. Something like a Yellowstone eruption would have a larger longer term effect, but the temperature in New England would be the least of concerns.

Year Without a Summer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Development of global average temperatures during the last thousand years. A significant drop shortly after 1800 is visible in the majority of concurrent reconstructions.The Year Without a Summer, also known as the Poverty Year, The Year There Was No Summer or Eighteen hundred and froze to death, was 1816, in which severe summer climate abnormalities destroyed crops in Northern Europe, the American Northeast and eastern Canada. Historian John D. Post has called this "the last great subsistence crisis in the Western world". It appears to have been caused by a volcanic winter.

[Beth221]

here is a book, i havent read it, but the title makes me want to read it.

Cool It, the skeptical environmentalist's guide to global warming, by Bjorn Lomborg

anyone read it, worth a read? 



           

[Lloyd Danforth]

...history shows again & again, how nature picks out the folly of mennnnnnnn, Godzilla!
(I could be improvising on the lyrics here)

You know, of course, Godzilla is not real

[Russell Kanning]

John currently works with KUSI in San Diego.

... a weatherman that lives in San Diego .... he probably knows what he is doing.

[Riddler]

...history shows again & again, how nature picks out the folly of mennnnnnnn, Godzilla!
(I could be improvising on the lyrics here)

You know, of course, Godzilla is not real

Tell your story walkin'...next you'll tell me Santa didn't 'really' come to my house 2 weeks ago....

[Lloyd Danforth]

I only shatter one belief at a time