Plea for assistance

[John]

I just don't know the best way to declare war yet.

I'm thinking that maybe your little war is well under way. Too bad that your leetninja account is gone. Some of us could have shown you - in your own words - where you were declaring war all over the place quite some time ago.

Declare war now? Maybe you are now looking for some way to escalate a bit further?
Have you considered declaring Peace?

Sorry to hear that things are still going in the same direction for you.
May Peace be with you.

[livefreeordye]

I have been ignoring, not engaging, and not retaliating against anyone including the corrupt PD for quite some time.  The most recent piles of shit tried to kill me once and have now escalated to a level where I can no longer idly stand by and just take it in some passive manner.

There is no declaring peace is it were with the Salem PD or with these lunatic neighbors that I have.  How would you exactly declare peace with people who are hostile and unwilling to be peaceful.  I understand you think non violent resistance will magically fix everything but it simply doesn't.

I do not want to have it escalate further.  If I were to make a list of possibilities on how to deal with this situation as it were, the list would be short, and most of the options would be crossed off the list.  I do not want violence and that is what this is quickly escalating towards.  I can not stand by and be arrested and beaten by abusive and corrupt kops in this town because I do not find that to be anywhere near an acceptable solution.

Not once have I said I declared war on anything or anyone.  Anger, frustration, confusion, and complete and total disbelief at the situations surrounding this small area are definitely prominent in my postings.   

You have the right to interpret what I say however you want but I have defended myself and will continue to do so in any way possible.  I came here seeking help.  I'm not really going to be surprised when I am not met with open arms.  More than once it has come down to a situation where if I don't agree with certain people they have nothing nice or helpful to say. 

I had hoped to get help and suggestions on how to handle the thugs and the neighbors that are causing these issues.  Maybe even organize some sort of protest at the courthouse - protesting warrantless "arrest"/kidnapping of citizens in order to intimidate and threaten them into submission ... that sort of thing ...

Today has been a relatively bad day and I have not seen my own bed since the 25th because I am too scared to return home.

Want to rent my house and you can deal with this your way?  1200 a month empty and 1800 a month furnished.  Have at it if you like ...

[Graelin]

Keeeripes.. don't tell me this whole speeal has actually been about renting out your place! Jesus H Chist on a popsicle stick!...

J/K

1. Post a sign that CLEARLY states government officials are forbidden access to your property w/o a written legally signed warrant to search and/or arrest.  Post contact (phone) information and instructions for delivery of said documents. And strongly insinuate your right to use deadly force to protect your property/liberty. (Maybe not... I would, but thats me). I find most cops to be cowards, and they won't readily die for their job. You'll have SWAT there before they step on your property.

2. Don't go to the (state) police for redress. You won't find any help there. You may try getting a restraining order against the entire police force. Doubt it will happen, but it will get you before a judge where you can at least bring some focus to the situation. Hell, you may win the lottery and find a kewl judge that actually believes and practices the oath they took. There COULD actually be some sort of help there. 

3. Look into a 'militia' type group. Oathkeepers (big on enforcing the Constitution). Make friends.. get a support group.

4. Get a scanner and listen religiously. At least know they are coming so you can react accordingly.

5. Possibly arrange a public meeting and find out from someone official (police chief?) what the dealio is. Record it. Make it viral on the internet and/or local media.

It seems to me you can really only appeal to public opinion safely. 'THEY" will do nothing to fix this. 'THEY' don't want to because 'THEY' believe 'THEY' are right.

I have no idea about any efficiency from these actions.. I am not a lawyer, and I generally speak what I would LIKE to do and not what I would do. I have young children. I have no plans for dying anytime soon. Being filled with holes isn't my preferred exit stage left anyway.

We all know that government is force. You KNOW how this will end if you choose to escalate it. My advice centers around doing everything in your sovereign power to ensure your safety. By all means arm yourself. Stake your claim to your borders and defend them. Just don't make threats, don't fire first, and remain calm at all times.  They consider you to be the black sheep of the herd now. Just remember, that when everyone else is wearing white sweaters, your sweater is worth a 1000 times more.

I have often wondered what can actually be done in this situation. I've imagined many scenarios of how my interactions with the police could go. Sadly, NONE realistically turn out well.

[livefreeordye]

I've posted several no trespassing signs and audio and video recording in progress signs attached to them.  I have been threatened with being charged with a felony for wiretapping already. 

I like the restraining order against the entire PD - this is something I am going to look into asap - like you said it probably won't happen but at least they will be dragged through the mud and their ridiculous abuses of power will be shown to the world for once

I am a member of the keepers already

Scanners for public channels are already up - they do have protected channels though and I have no idea how to get them.  Most of the "important" chatter takes place there.

I'm trying to avoid SWAT teams and potential death. 

The latest happenings have been interesting.  My motions for discovery produced documentation and evidence that they have dig themselves a nice deep hole and now I will be unrelenting in my legal avenues.  I will bury them with paperwork and lawsuits at every turn and maybe they will "get the message"

I'm still looking for a new place to live.  I feel unsafe in my own home and I have not been staying there.  Hopping from hotels to friends and family's homes etc has been wearing me down a bit.

I plan on renting my house out as soon as I have secured a new living place - a few friends have suggested I should rent to a few reputable Hell's Angels - it has a nice workspot for their bikes

[John]

This can't be real. I'm thinking TROLL.

[Russell Kanning]

I agree with John.
Declaring war doesn't seem like a step in the right direction.

[livefreeordye]

This can't be real. I'm thinking TROLL.

What kind of verification do you want?  Copy of my summons for disorderly?  Copy of the motion for discovery? Cover letter from discovery? 

Bottom line: It is real.  I am not a troll.  I am asking for help that is all.

[Russell Kanning]

i bet he was talking about a post that has been deleted.
He knows you are real

[John]

I've posted several no trespassing signs and audio and video recording in progress signs attached to them.  I have been threatened with being charged with a felony for wiretapping already. 

I like the restraining order against the entire PD - this is something I am going to look into asap - like you said it probably won't happen but at least they will be dragged through the mud and their ridiculous abuses of power will be shown to the world for once

I am a member of the keepers already

Scanners for public channels are already up - they do have protected channels though and I have no idea how to get them.  Most of the "important" chatter takes place there.

I'm trying to avoid SWAT teams and potential death. 

The latest happenings have been interesting.  My motions for discovery produced documentation and evidence that they have dig themselves a nice deep hole and now I will be unrelenting in my legal avenues.  I will bury them with paperwork and lawsuits at every turn and maybe they will "get the message"

I'm still looking for a new place to live.  I feel unsafe in my own home and I have not been staying there.  Hopping from hotels to friends and family's homes etc has been wearing me down a bit.

I plan on renting my house out as soon as I have secured a new living place - a few friends have suggested I should rent to a few reputable Hell's Angels - it has a nice workspot for their bikes

Don't know if deleeting takes away the copies. I'll be back later.

[John]

Oh and deleelting an entire account?

[livefreeordye]

i bet he was talking about a post that has been deleted.
He knows you are real

What post?  I haven't deleted anything.  Or "deleeted" which I just assume since repeated is some sort of jab at my old username which if you look at the first four words of my posting is says that I am the same person.

If this is the wrong place for help, fine.  I will go seek it elsewhere.  I thought that people on this forum supported certain things i.e. freedom, and thus far I have only really gotten a few positive responses.  Maybe I should have known better.  I kind of had a feeling it was going to not go so well here ...

Look, I get it, you don't like violence.  No circumstance justifies it in your opinion.  Fine.  No problem.  I am not telling you that you are right or wrong for what you believe in.  Just because I don't believe in the same exact thing, doesn't mean that I am some horrible person.  Regardless of what people seem to believe here, I am not a violent person.  I would rather avoid it entirely.  I am actually quite peaceful.  I just have my limits. 

Declaring peace was mentioned earlier.  I am firm in the belief that no one can declare peace with people who are not peaceful. 

This situation is so far out of control it isn't even laughable anymore.  My life has been turned upside down because I no longer even feel safe when I am at home.  I'm running myself ragged and I have no idea when it will end.  Every time I have tried to go home something happens within 20-40 minutes of my arrival.  A congregation in front of my yard talking loudly about how "someone is going to get hurt bad" or "just wait they will arrest him again and this time he wont make it back" amongst other things.  So ... other than doing everything I can to buy a new home to live in away from these people ... what do I do?

There has to be some recourse right?

Fucked if I know anymore.  Lately I don't know up from down ... 

[Russell Kanning]

i thought john was talking about someone else's post ... i guess i was wrong

You came on this forum looking for help or at least advice. Some of us on this forum, and most importantly the people who run it and control the feel and content for the most part, will always give out advice that you and others will benefit by turning the other cheek and forgiving people that hurt you.

In many of our minds, our lives and our states of mind (as compared to yours) seem to be proof of the validity of a proactive peaceful path. You can't wait for the other guys to initiate the process. You are going against people who deal in pain and suffering to get what they want. You cannot defeat them with force, you can only join them.

[livefreeordye]

what happens when turning the other cheek doesn't seem to be working? or not working at all?  I have been doing that whole take the high road, do the right thing, turn the other cheek, ignore, etc path for quite some time ...

[Russell Kanning]

I haven't sensed that at all ..... maybe those living around you and opposing your are seeing the same thing

[John]

what happens when turning the other cheek doesn't seem to be working? or not working at all?  I have been doing that whole take the high road, do the right thing, turn the other cheek, ignore, etc path for quite some time ...

Sounds like maybe you just need more practice at it. Don't give up.
You're not a quitter are you? I've never thought you wanted to give in to the bad guys.
If you act like them, they win. Don't let bad people win by letting them "make" you do bad things.
Don't let them control your mind, your emotions, your spirit, your behavior.
Stay on the path. Don't look back. Keep doing the right thing. You'll get better at it.

It is not the journey of many, many miles that hurts the feet: it is the pebble in the shoe.
Check your shoes. Always check your shoes --- every day.