"underground"

[olehenry]

Hello,

I am newly interested in the title of this webpage "nhunderground".  I've read a few rants and raves and searched for information in which I am interested.  Still thirsty.

Since this forum is easily accessed by government employees (READ: enforcement officials), what part of it would be considered "underground"?

I do not pay income taxes (have never filed).  I attempt to avoid sales taxes.  I am not a "for the sake of the economy" consumer.  However, I want more.  Is there a process here for truly avoiding government and dealing as much as possible with individuals?

I always *assumed* that "underground" would mean outside, around, beneath, over, etc. the government's reach.  How do I get started?

Olehenry of Arizona

[Kat Kanning]

Hi Olehenry,

I chose the name NHUnderground sort of tongue and cheek.  While trying to work with the FSP, I'd often found myself being thwarted, so I figured if things were going to happen, we'd have to go "underground" to do it.  We don't actually do anything in secret.  Many of us also do not pay income taxes.  But we've not being trying to hide.  More like taking the government on publically and hopefully humiliating them.

Many of us are interested in dealing with each other rather than the government.  I believe part of the "tuath" that's being set up involves doing business among ourselves.  You might want to check it out   http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=2305.0

[Russell Kanning]

The government thugs can't keep track of everything happening on the internet. Some of what happens here is subversion right under their noses.

[FTL_Ian]

Heh.. when Russell INVITED a cop to come read the forum, the cop replied that he was too scared to click the link!   

I would say the first step to getting the state out of your life should be to come to NH and be with like minded people!   

[olehenry]

Hi Olehenry,

I chose the name NHUnderground sort of tongue and cheek.? While trying to work with the FSP, I'd often found myself being thwarted, so I figured if things were going to happen, we'd have to go "underground" to do it.? We don't actually do anything in secret.? Many of us also do not pay income taxes.? But we've not being trying to hide.? More like taking the government on publically and hopefully humiliating them.

[Who are "them"?  I've not understood why anyone working for the government would be humiliated by dissent.  It appears to me the government positions of pay are easiest to secure (no market demand, only a year-long law allocating a sum of taxed funds).  Each public servant has no self-worth left to defend (from our outcries).  I don't think humiliation is a good teaching method. --OleH]

Many of us are interested in dealing with each other rather than the government.? I believe part of the "tuath" that's being set up involves doing business among ourselves.? You might want to check it out ? http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=2305.0

[Checked it out, thanks.  Count me out of the tuath, unless it is actually a "fantasy anarchy" game.  Exchanging contact information and building a reputation based on the interactions is enough for me.  However, if your arbitration team builds an awesome reputation, I (and my disputant) may like to hire them one day...  --OleH]

[Moving to an area where my neighbors and friends are serious about living freely is attractive.  For now, I have my sister and three other family members (not blood related) here in AZ.  With them, short and long term mutual benefit with a purpose of maximizing integrated lifetime happiness is rewarding compared to interactions with the mainstream where I must protect my self and property as if I too were a disposable gear turning slave.

I actually do not mind having just four family members.  Currently, I am not healthy enough to interact with more than four -- they supply all that I want from non-me   "Me" though, has a lot of work to do in order to become "healthier".  In school for problem-solving; studying my body so that I may become a master of my physical being; studying my action history in order to discover negative actions and thinking patterns and meanwhile developing skills which will maximize my integrated lifetime happiness.  Note: In order to take this seriously, I must know that I will never perish... here on earth.  I must live forever, or at least a very very long time.  And I think I can do it.

Soon I will be able to market skills.  Currently collecting info about others' skills for trade.  Can barely wait to contract with each of you someday!   --Olehenry]

[Michael Fisher]

Welcome to the NH Underground, olehenry! 

[Kat Kanning]

Seems like that's the only way to be healthy.  Doctors are useless.  You gotta do the research yourself.  Seems like I've spent half my time the last couple months just researching asthsma.

[MattLeft]

quote author=olehenry link=topic=2321.msg38768#msg38768 date=1132811146
"In order to take this seriously, I must know that I will never perish... here on earth.  I must live forever, or at least a very very long time.  And I think I can do it."


Olehenry,

Just out of curiosity, I see you pen the above statement, and also see you're from Arizona.  Are you, by any chance referring to ALCOR?  They're based in Scottsdale and are all about the immortality concept.

TheDUDE

[Pat McCotter]

I actually do not mind having just four family members.? Currently, I am not healthy enough to interact with more than four -- they supply all that I want from non-me ? "Me" though, has a lot of work to do in order to become "healthier".? In school for problem-solving; studying my body so that I may become a master of my physical being; studying my action history in order to discover negative actions and thinking patterns and meanwhile developing skills which will maximize my integrated lifetime happiness.? Note: In order to take this seriously, I must know that I will never perish... here on earth.? I must live forever, or at least a very very long time.? And I think I can do it.

Soon I will be able to market skills.? Currently collecting info about others' skills for trade.? Can barely wait to contract with each of you someday!? ?--Olehenry]

Hmmm... I read a book once called "Me" by Thomas T. Thomas

'ME' is a self aware artificial intelligence created by a software firm in San Francisco. He is not limited to one machine, at least by his original programming. We see him born. We see him grow. We see him rebel. Still and all, he's cute, not scary. Unless you think about it..


Welcome olehenry!

[Kat Kanning]

I know someone "residing" in Alcor.

[olehenry]

Olehenry wrote:
"In order to take this seriously, I must know that I will never perish... here on earth.? I must live forever, or at least a very very long time.? And I think I can do it."


Olehenry,

Just out of curiosity, I see you pen the above statement, and also see you're from Arizona.? Are you, by any chance referring to ALCOR?? They're based in Scottsdale and are all about the immortality concept.

TheDUDE

I've taken the ALCOR tour and learned a little about their history.  For now, maybe the best option.  I have not reserved a spot, though I am saving for this.  Last time I checked it was $80K to freeze the head plus a yearly "standby" fee to keep the ambulence crew ready and rarin' to go get you at the drop of your hat.

More importantly, I refer to a simple idea:  a human being, knowing s/he is to perish in 80 years, has much less incentive to take full responsibility for actions while maintaining a strong reputation
than
one who lives for a much longer time (and who desires this).

For example, the tuath idea.  If the signers of these social contracts knew they would live forever (or many "lifetimes"), the incentive to interact with others to mutual benefit would be higher than for one who knew life would end sooner, say 40-60 years later.  There is a lot more on the line if you are immortal   And you are reassured an other too will have incentive to take full responsibility for hir actions, since s/he too shares this attitude.

As I stated previously, I think such a tuath idea would be fun practice (as a game maybe at first) and could generate important discussion.  Tuesday night tuath night!  Meet at my house...say around dusk?!

Contracting with an other who also attempts to maximize hir integrated lifetime happiness (think in terms of area under the curve...the further you extend that x-axis "time" the larger your area)  -- I can't think of anything I want more!

To the future...   clink clink
Olehenry

[Pat McCotter]

The Long Now Foundation 10,000 Year Clock

[olehenry]

<snipped some stuff>...? "Me" though, has a lot of work to do in order to become "healthier"... <snipped other stuff>--Olehenry]

Hmmm... I read a book once called "Me" by Thomas T. Thomas

'ME' is a self aware artificial intelligence created by a software firm in San Francisco. He is not limited to one machine, at least by his original programming. We see him born. We see him grow. We see him rebel. Still and all, he's cute, not scary. Unless you think about it..


Welcome olehenry!

Now that sounds like a story!  Thanks, I checked out the link.  Found a seller with 98% positive feedback with whom I will exhange.

Thanks to all welcomes.  I am not a big group fan and will obstain from most replies.  My purpose on this site is 1.) to establish underground connections and 2.) review ideas for avoiding the gov't "services".

Additionally, I am stumped on how to convince others that living forever is a good thing.  However, if many (?)people recognize the ramifications of living forever, I see competing with governments and putting them out of business to be a worthwhile vision.  3.) Discussions about this are interesting to me as well.

Keep up the good work...and improve.
Olehenry

[cathleeninnh]

Gosh, everyone I know gets alot more responsible when they realize they aren't going to live forever.

Cathleen

[olehenry]

Gosh, everyone I know gets alot more responsible when they realize they aren't going to live forever.

Cathleen

Now you know one person who does not, me.  advocate asks:
Can you please explain your sentence?

Olehenry