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Jobs With out a SSN #

Started by AvatarofVirgo, November 24, 2005, 09:29 PM NHFT

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Pat McCotter


Russell Kanning

Whatever happened to the guy who started this thread? Have THEY gotten to him already?

Russell Kanning

Quote from: burnthebeautiful on December 07, 2005, 06:05 PM NHFTThere seems to be a correlation between small countries and libertarianism.
Maybe we need to make NH it's own country and then split into small pieces. :)

Fluff and Stuff

Quote from: patmccotter on December 07, 2005, 06:12 PM NHFT
You forgot Costa Rica!


It's not very free.  The government is controlled by socialist.  But, it does have good health insurance for low costs.

AvatarofVirgo

I'm still here.  I was just thinking.  If I was to not use my SSN any more then I would go all the way and try to opt out of Social Security.  I just don't want to burn my card.  I want to get rid of the number all together.  Meaning I want to goto the social security office and tell them, "I want out, cancel my membership, delete my number".  Why do I half ass job.  Go all the way.

Russell Kanning

Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 08, 2005, 01:07 AM NHFT
I'm still here. I was just thinking. If I was to not use my SSN any more then I would go all the way and try to opt out of Social Security. I just don't want to burn my card. I want to get rid of the number all together. Meaning I want to goto the social security office and tell them, "I want out, cancel my membership, delete my number". Why do I half ass job. Go all the way.
I like the idea.
I didn't do that because I don't think they listen, when you want out.
I was just worried that they had hauled you away. ;)

olehenry

Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 08, 2005, 01:07 AM NHFT
I'm still here.? I was just thinking.? If I was to not use my SSN any more then I would go all the way and try to opt out of Social Security.? I just don't want to burn my card.? I want to get rid of the number all together.? Meaning I want to goto the social security office and tell them, "I want out, cancel my membership, delete my number".? Why do I half ass job.? Go all the way.

Hello Tex,

You are going to be presented with many options regarding SS#.  IMO, I would begin *today* (if you have not) studying the decisions of our representatives and judges RE: SS#.  You can find a law library nearby and learn slowly at first, maybe even write your own interpretation of legislation, courts' opinions, lay persons' opinions, and so on.

This alone may sound extremely boring or maybe too much effort for such a small number.  You may want to tie it into another project that is meaningful to your life.  Maybe start a Yahoo group that chronicles your baby-steps while you investigate SS#.  Maybe ask russell and co. for your own thread for SS# chronicles de AvatarofVirgo.

I started at cornell's law website years ago as I was attempting to understand what % of my property the federal government had entitled itself to:  http://www.law.cornell.edu/

Once on this page, you can choose "law by source or jurisdiction", in which case you can find "federal".  From here, you can... ;)  paruse  ;) the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) which have 50 titles.  Or, the U.S. Code from the Legislative Branch with 50 titles as well.  Social Security Administration is also listed.

Also under this link, you will find a topic that is discussed within this nhunderground as well:

"June 23 - U.S. Supreme Court decision in Kelo v. City of New London, expanding Fifth-Amendment authorized eminent domain property seizures to economic development..."

In reference to an earlier post of yours, you had stated that you have had difficulty learning for regurgitation.  I poke fun at a prevalent genre of teaching methods which encourage one to memorize the expected answers and regurgitate them onto paper at regular time intervals.  (Many have seen on educational TV an arctic wolf successfully regurgitate prey-turned-meal, so this method is effective in some contexts.)  :P
I personally would support (like a cheerleader) a thread of your own here on NHunderground as a place for you to formulate, in your own words, your SS# discoveries.  The adventure may take you a few years, and the beginning may be very slow, but well worth the investment days, months, quarters, years, and decades from now.

What do you say? 

AvatarofVirgo

Quote from: olehenry on December 09, 2005, 10:50 AM NHFT
Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 08, 2005, 01:07 AM NHFT
I'm still here.? I was just thinking.? If I was to not use my SSN any more then I would go all the way and try to opt out of Social Security.? I just don't want to burn my card.? I want to get rid of the number all together.? Meaning I want to goto the social security office and tell them, "I want out, cancel my membership, delete my number".? Why do I half ass job.? Go all the way.

Hello Tex,

You are going to be presented with many options regarding SS#.? IMO, I would begin *today* (if you have not) studying the decisions of our representatives and judges RE: SS#.? You can find a law library nearby and learn slowly at first, maybe even write your own interpretation of legislation, courts' opinions, lay persons' opinions, and so on.

This alone may sound extremely boring or maybe too much effort for such a small number.? You may want to tie it into another project that is meaningful to your life.? Maybe start a Yahoo group that chronicles your baby-steps while you investigate SS#.? Maybe ask russell and co. for your own thread for SS# chronicles de AvatarofVirgo.

I started at cornell's law website years ago as I was attempting to understand what % of my property the federal government had entitled itself to:? http://www.law.cornell.edu/

Once on this page, you can choose "law by source or jurisdiction", in which case you can find "federal".? From here, you can... ;)? paruse? ;) the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) which have 50 titles.? Or, the U.S. Code from the Legislative Branch with 50 titles as well.? Social Security Administration is also listed.

Also under this link, you will find a topic that is discussed within this nhunderground as well:

"June 23 - U.S. Supreme Court decision in Kelo v. City of New London, expanding Fifth-Amendment authorized eminent domain property seizures to economic development..."

In reference to an earlier post of yours, you had stated that you have had difficulty learning for regurgitation.? I poke fun at a prevalent genre of teaching methods which encourage one to memorize the expected answers and regurgitate them onto paper at regular time intervals.? (Many have seen on educational TV an arctic wolf successfully regurgitate prey-turned-meal, so this method is effective in some contexts.)? :P
I personally would support (like a cheerleader) a thread of your own here on NHunderground as a place for you to formulate, in your own words, your SS# discoveries.? The adventure may take you a few years, and the beginning may be very slow, but well worth the investment days, months, quarters, years, and decades from now.

What do you say??

Right now my priority is getting a job and buying a car and getting my own place.  I want a job that I don't have to provide my SSN, take a damn drug test or have a back ground check.  I also want to find a bank I can have a checking account with, with out giving out my SSN.

Now if you can help me do all those things, then awesome.

As for learning a whole lot of useless laws, I'll leave that up to lawyers.  Politicians change the laws when ever it suits them so it seems useless to remember even half of them.

I just want to live my life with out the "system".

Russell Kanning


Lloyd Danforth

Then why not do without the bank account, too.

AvatarofVirgo

Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on December 09, 2005, 09:32 PM NHFT
Then why not do without the bank account, too.

I like to order stuff offline.  I get all my computer stuff from online.  I need a credit card for that.

KBCraig

Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 09, 2005, 11:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on December 09, 2005, 09:32 PM NHFT
Then why not do without the bank account, too.

I like to order stuff offline.  I get all my computer stuff from online.  I need a credit card for that.

I believe there are cash-based debit cards.

AvatarofVirgo

Quote from: KBCraig on December 09, 2005, 11:34 PM NHFT
Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 09, 2005, 11:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on December 09, 2005, 09:32 PM NHFT
Then why not do without the bank account, too.

I like to order stuff offline.? I get all my computer stuff from online.? I need a credit card for that.

I believe there are cash-based debit cards.

That's basically what I have.  I don't have a "real" credit card.  I meant to say debit card my bank gave me for my checking account.  If that's what you where talking about.

KBCraig

Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 10, 2005, 04:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on December 09, 2005, 11:34 PM NHFT
Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 09, 2005, 11:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on December 09, 2005, 09:32 PM NHFT
Then why not do without the bank account, too.

I like to order stuff offline.  I get all my computer stuff from online.  I need a credit card for that.

I believe there are cash-based debit cards.

That's basically what I have.  I don't have a "real" credit card.  I meant to say debit card my bank gave me for my checking account.  If that's what you where talking about.

No, I meant ones that can work like telephone calling cards, or a Wal Mart gift card. I don't know of a source, but I've heard they can be had.

Kevin

AlanM

Quote from: KBCraig on December 10, 2005, 05:11 PM NHFT
Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 10, 2005, 04:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: KBCraig on December 09, 2005, 11:34 PM NHFT
Quote from: AvatarofVirgo on December 09, 2005, 11:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on December 09, 2005, 09:32 PM NHFT
Then why not do without the bank account, too.

I like to order stuff offline.? I get all my computer stuff from online.? I need a credit card for that.

I believe there are cash-based debit cards.

That's basically what I have.? I don't have a "real" credit card.? I meant to say debit card my bank gave me for my checking account.? If that's what you where talking about.

No, I meant ones that can work like telephone calling cards, or a Wal Mart gift card. I don't know of a source, but I've heard they can be had.

Kevin

Prepaid Credit Cards. Some convenience stores have them available.