Weather Underground

[Michael Fisher]

I recently met an ex-member of the Weather Underground.? He's in his late fifties, I believe.? He was a member of the organization until it became violent at which point he quit.? He called the Weathermen a group of "anarchists".? Before I looked up the history of the Weathermen, I told him about the NH Underground and explained we're mostly anarchocapitalists and libertarians using Gandhian nonviolent noncooperation methods to minimize/eliminate the government.? He said he'd look into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weathermen

Weatherman, also known as the Weather Underground Organization and, colloquially, sometimes 'the Weathermen', were a U.S. Radical Left organization consisting of splintered-off members and leaders of the Students for a Democratic Society. Its members referred to themselves as a "revolutionary organization of communist women and men," and carried out guerrilla actions, often characterized as terrorist, to achieve the revolutionary overthrow of the government of the United States. The group collapsed shortly after the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam in 1975, which saw the general demise of the New Left, of which Weatherman had been a part.


Whoa... Psychos...? LOL

[Lloyd Danforth]

Some of them killed innocent people.

[Michael Fisher]

 

[John]

Fuck them.  Violent.  Communist. etc. etc.  Weren't they also secretive?

I love this underground because we are so ABOVE GROUND - no secrets here - - - and non-violent too.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Well, we're not planning bombings and bank robbery's and stuff that we would need to hide.

[trip2]

Some of them killed innocent people.

Which innocent people did they kill?. They intended to set off a bomb at a US military officers dance at Fort Dix NJ but it mistakenly detonated when they were building it and killed 3 members of their own group. After that they changed their methods and decided to give advance warnings when they planted bombs so the buliding would be evacuated and nobody would be injured or killed.

[John]

Sure is nice to be part of THIS kind of "underground."
No dirty messes.  No secrets.  No dirty lies.
No Blood on our hands.

[Michael Fisher]

Some of them killed innocent people.

Which innocent people did they kill?. They intended to set off a bomb at a US military officers dance at Fort Dix NJ but it mistakenly detonated when they were building it and killed 3 members of their own group. After that they changed their methods and decided to give advance warnings when they planted bombs so the buliding would be evacuated and nobody would be injured or killed.

The end does not justify the means.

[Erethizon]

What's wrong with the Weather Underground? Their web site is very useful and I see no references to violence. 

http://www.wunderground.com/

[Kat Kanning]

http://www.wunderground.com/

Yeah, that's the place I thought of when I saw 'weather underground'.

[Kat Kanning]

I'd call bombing a bunch of buildings a violation of ZAP.  Furthermore, engaging in violence in order to bring about the destruction of the state is stupid.  The state thrives on violence.  Violence is the catalyst for growth of big government.  When there isn't enough of it from their subjects, government creates violence to expand their power.  Look at the expansion of state power since 9/11.  It's always an excuse to clamp down on us, and people will go along with it because they're afraid of the violence.  In reality, the expansion of government power is much worse than the initial violence.

[Michael Fisher]

I'd call bombing a bunch of buildings a violation of ZAP.? Furthermore, engaging in violence in order to bring about the destruction of the state is stupid.? The state thrives on violence.? Violence is the catalyst for growth of big government.? When there isn't enough of it from their subjects, government creates violence to expand their power.? Look at the expansion of state power since 9/11.? It's always an excuse to clamp down on us, and people will go along with it because they're afraid of the violence.? In reality, the expansion of government power is much worse than the initial violence.

I agree entirely.

That's the beautiful thing about the absolute nature of free will (which objectivism does not recognize).  We are all responsible for our actions, even under the threat of force.  Government will do its best to create a violent land that causes itself to grow endlessly, but we have absolute free will, and we can refuse to be controlled or initiate force, even under the threat of death.

[Lloyd Danforth]

I believe 'Free Will' is the basic premise of Objectivism.

[Michael Fisher]

I believe 'Free Will' is the basic premise of Objectivism.

Objectivism states that nothing you do is considered immoral if you are under the threat of force.

I disagree. 

[AlanM]

I believe 'Free Will' is the basic premise of Objectivism.

Objectivism states that nothing you do is considered immoral if you are under the threat of force.

I disagree.?

Mike, didn't you say you pay your income taxes? Don't you pay them under threat of force?