Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 17

[LordBaltimore]

The problem with the Supreme Court is that when it rules contrary to the Constitution, which it does all the time lately, you not only have no recourse in law, the bad decision may stick around forever.

Absolutely correct.  The check and balance lies on Congress to fix it which is a crappy option given our current weasels in office.

[Scoremore]

"That doesn't make those rules right or wrong, it just makes them what they are."

So you are saying we should all just accept everything they shove down our American throats.

[LordBaltimore]

"That doesn't make those rules right or wrong, it just makes them what they are."

So you are saying we should all just accept everything they shove down our American throats.

I've said nothing of the sort.

[guy]

The problem with the Supreme Court is that when it rules contrary to the Constitution, which it does all the time lately, you not only have no recourse in law, the bad decision may stick around forever.

Absolutely correct.  The check and balance lies on Congress to fix it which is a crappy option given our current weasels in office.

The current weasels in office did not approve the president's nominees to the Supreme Court, the previous weasels did.  We need to make sure we don't elect another weasel like Bush for at least the next decade or more.  We need to elect presidents who will nominate reasonable justices to balance out the current liberty-unfriendly Court.

[Dave Ridley]

Dear Free Mexican:

It is only about once every three months or so that a person joins this forum whose ideas rival those of the Kannings and Canarios among us.  You appear to be such a person.  I beg you to stick around and keep the ideas coming.

[Romak]

I understand its extremely difficult for some of you in here to answer questions when people ask, but does anyone in here think this deal on Monday is a horrible idea? Bringing this guy into the situation will only make the problem worse in my opinion. This whole thing is a mess and its about to get extremely dangerous for all involved. I know a guy who Reno was asking him if he could find him some cheap 50 cal ammo recently, the guy didn't get back to him for obvious reasons. Do you think Reno understands how much trouble he can get in if ed or Elaine use his new weapons to harm anyone? Besides being fugitives isn't it also illegal as a convicted felon to be in the presence of firerarms or at least having them in your home? There are numerous reasons for the Marshalls to go in and arrest this man, but they are showing great resolve at this point. Ruby Ridge was a horrible disaster handled by some really sick people who seemed to like killing that family, this Marshall in charge seems to have his ducks in a row. Dont they get any credit at all for holding back and handling this in a professional manner?

[Romak]

By the way Id like to thank the Dictator of this site for keeping me at -7K karma, it makes me unique. My wife would like to thank you for the boost in my confidence and also for the lesson to my children as to how an adult should not act.

[Caleb]

I understand its extremely difficult for some of you in here to answer questions when people ask, but does anyone in here think this deal on Monday is a horrible idea? Bringing this guy into the situation will only make the problem worse in my opinion. This whole thing is a mess and its about to get extremely dangerous for all involved. I know a guy who Reno was asking him if he could find him some cheap 50 cal ammo recently, the guy didn't get back to him for obvious reasons. Do you think Reno understands how much trouble he can get in if ed or Elaine use his new weapons to harm anyone? Besides being fugitives isn't it also illegal as a convicted felon to be in the presence of firerarms or at least having them in your home? There are numerous reasons for the Marshalls to go in and arrest this man, but they are showing great resolve at this point. Ruby Ridge was a horrible disaster handled by some really sick people who seemed to like killing that family, this Marshall in charge seems to have his ducks in a row. Dont they get any credit at all for holding back and handling this in a professional manner?

Actually, that's the first thing you've said that I agree with. I am not convinced that having Randy Weaver present will help Ed and Elaine at all.

That having been said, it isn't my decision.

Everything else you said was completely wrong, as usual. This Monier guy doesn't have his ducks in a row at all. He seems to have bumbled the whole thing, then lied about it when he got caught, besides giving different stories to different people.

He also works for an international terrorist organization.

As I read the second amendment, there is no exception granted that the right to bear arms could be infringed "if the guy happens to have been convicted by a moronic jury of his hypothetical peers", so Ed having a firearm is besides the point.

[Caleb]

Oh, and romak, how is it having his "ducks in a row" for Monier to threaten the lives of the press?

[Critter183]

"if the guy happens to have been convicted by a moronic jury of his hypothetical peers"

I was pondering the "jury of peers" thing on my way home from CT today.

Does anyone really get tried by a jury of his peers in this country? I mean, who would Ed and Elaine's peers be?

Their peers would have been folks with a thorough working knowledge of the Constitution and an understanding of the principles of liberty upon which this country was founded. They would also understand the very important role that jury nullification plays in protecting the rights of the people from bad and unconstitutional law.

Would that type of person have convicted the Brown's based on the case presented by the feds? I highly doubt it.

[Henry]

I've got an idea.  Probably most of the Browns' supporters agree that Ed and Elaine should be able to make their case to a jury.  Isn't it a fact that the Browns were complying with the court trial to some extent and only refused to show up for court when the judge made it clear to them that he would not allow the Browns to cite the constitution, statutes, and make their legal arguments to the jury (as the judges ALWAYS do in these cases)? 

In his book "Send in the Waco Killers", Las Vegas Review Journal writer Vin Suprynowicz often pointed out that these more frequent armed standoffs are a direct result of those targeted by the government knowing that they will be effectively duct-taped Bobby Seal-style at any trial that the government will give them should they surrender.  So, instead of the guys in the black Darth Vader helmets being able to yell, "Come on out Ed, you can tell it to a jury and this can be decided without blood-shed", the government must eventually burn them out Falluja-style.

I think Ed's supporters should stick to this one simple issue if they're going to have press conferences or fly banners and that kind of thing.  That issue is more fundamental and more likely to find some support from fat, dumb, and ugly Boobus Americanus.  Once that issue is dealt with, Ed's supporters can start figuring out how to tell a jury about direct taxes vs. indirect taxes, the Brushaber decision, the Pope, Masons, etc.

John Adams once said that, "it is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty – to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court."  This little sentence is barely 30 words.  Zillions of little fortune-cookie-sized slips of paper with this John Adams quote could be printed up and V's could litter them in court houses and government buildings everywhere.  The next time Monier has a press conference, lots of Luke Budkowskis could cite Adams' quote and ask Monier to comment.

I imagine in Ed's mind he "checked out" of the court system once he was violated anally by the Feds (yes, literally. I think it's important to remember all parts of the story.)

About the other idea, I'm a fan of ANYTHING that wakes the publich up as to their full rights as jurors.

[error]

Internet report: Well the feds continue to read various people's sites and this forum but they knocked off early today (it is Friday, after all) and have gone home to take a weekend off from terrorizing the public.

[Caleb]

I have this sinking feeling in my gut that this weekend will be the time that they go after Ed and Elaine.

I worry that Randy Weaver announcing that he will arrive Monday may have sealed the deal for them, and made them determined to make a move this weekend.

[error]

I doubt they'll do anything this weekend. There are donuts to be eaten! But next week, while everyone's distracted by PorcFest, perhaps.

[Lex]

I think they will wait it out. Waiting is the best strategy for the gooberment folks. They get paid to sit around! Literally! If I was in their place I would do the same thing. In fact, that's probably why they are allowing folks to bring food to Ed Brown. Imagine if Ed stays in his house for 10 years, then whoever is on this case can make a career out of it and just sit around waiting for Ed to turn himself in... 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS, etc. however long it takes! This is why Monier constantly says that he doesn't want Ed to die, because if Ed dies he'll have to find something else to keep himself occupied with and I think Monier likes this case, him and Ed get along relatively OK, at least from what I've heard during their phone conversations (this may have changed after the recent events).