Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 17

[kadar]

oldman:

In general If you're contacting local media outside nh to suggest a story, try to find a local angle.    a local person involved, etc.

if you cant find such an angle, then the best people to contact are usually national media, perhaps pro liberty outlets.

Sometimes International media picks up on stories that our own media decline to post. This may embarrass our media into running a story.
So if you exhaust all methods, locally and nationally, go international.

[KBCraig]

I read somewhere that he owes property tax(not sure if that is true).... tax that pays for the fire service.  Kinda hypocritical to call them if you don't pay for them don't you think?

Russell's point aside (about whether Ed "owes" property taxes), Ed recently paid in full his property tax assessment.

Is Plainfield a professional FD, or VFD?

Dunno how VFDs work in NH, but in rural areas in this part of the country, VFDs encourage "subscriptions". If a non-subscriber calls them to put out a fire, the VFD responds and then sends a bill for the service. Subscribers get free service.

[Oldmanofthemountain]

Oldman when you are in the situation the Marshall is in of course they are going to monitor people who show support for Ed Brown, especially when he has threatened the lives of their families. Do I think its right, hell no, but can you really blame them? If someone threatened my family I would want to keep close tabs on those who support that person, quite possibly 90% of those wouldn't resort to such tactics but I would want to be sure. I said earlier today I learned a lot about how the income tax could quite possibly be an illegal tax, but it doesn't change my opinion of Ed Brown and how he threatened to kill innocent people. Put yourself in Marshall Monier position for a second. Imagine for a second your family was threatened as well as families of your friends that you work with. Id do some serious research as to who I was dealing with and who their supporters really are. But most in here need not worry, its pretty obvious you will put in the category of peace loving hippies who would never fight fire with fire. Oldman if you are the same guy who posts on keepandbeararms all the time Id be careful about how you show your support. If its legit and you believe in his message about the income tax than cool, but lets hope you aren't one to promote violence against innocent people. If the Browns had just stuck to their message about the income tax without threats Id just look at all of this as an educational experience, but since I live in NH and he has threatened law enforcement agents, who I happen to know quite a few of, I drew the line there.

I do not go to the forum that you mentioned Romak, I am here, Glenn Beck and a couple of Trapping forums that I moderate. That being said, I resent the feds using their unlimited resources, and everyones tax dollars to spy on it's citizens. I have threatened no one, although in the case of Randy Weaver, I would be dead or have a substantial body count if that had been done to my family.
I support Ed and Elaine 100%, they have been unjustly persecuted, have not been granted their constitutional right to a jury trial, their voice has been silenced until now, and I think at least after the show of force last Tuesday, with the feds using implements of war that they won't even deploy to the border to stop invaders, Ed has every right to consider these folks enemy targets.

[Oldmanofthemountain]

oldman:

In general If you're contacting local media outside nh to suggest a story, try to find a local angle.    a local person involved, etc.

if you cant find such an angle, then the best people to contact are usually national media, perhaps pro liberty outlets.

Point taken Dada, basically, I have been sending the info on to any and every media outlet, Local, State, and National, radio,TV, and Newspaper.

[Dreepa]

Is Plainfield a professional FD, or VFD?

Dunno how VFDs work in NH, but in rural areas in this part of the country, VFDs encourage "subscriptions". If a non-subscriber calls them to put out a fire, the VFD responds and then sends a bill for the service. Subscribers get free service.

VFD in my town is that the Vs get paid when they are called out.  I am still working on why they call it V then
but it is supported by taxes raised by the town. Don't know the particulars of Plainfield.

[Russell Kanning]

Sure doesn't take the feds long to start monitoring your internet travels and e-mails....after opening your mouth in support of the Browns, is everyone here being monitored too.

I would assume so.

[Russell Kanning]

I don't like calling the government thugs ..... but Ed does it all the time ....
to me ... bad things happen when you call those guys.

Calling the government a thug in general is one thing.  But I think the guys in the trenches are just guys like you and me, doing their jobs in order to provide for their families.  I've never met anyone who thinks his job is perfect.

If you do the bidding of the thuggish (in general) government .... then what does that make you.
You know a tree by its fruit and people by their actions.

I do not do a job (to provide for my family) that kills other peoples families. They don't need to either.
Government employees seem to hate their job more than others ... and well they should. They should quit.

There is not evil government if the guys in the trenches refuse orders or quit.

[Russell Kanning]

I have threatened no one, although in the case of Randy Weaver, I would be dead or have a substantial body count if that had been done to my family.

Why not do it now? Weaver's family was hit already. Ed and Elaine could be next.
What will you do when they come for you?

[Kat Kanning]

I don't like calling the government thugs ..... but Ed does it all the time ....
to me ... bad things happen when you call those guys.

Calling the government a thug in general is one thing.  But I think the guys in the trenches are just guys like you and me, doing their jobs in order to provide for their families.  I've never met anyone who thinks his job is perfect.

If you do the bidding of the thuggish (in general) government .... then what does that make you.
You know a tree by its fruit and people by their actions.

I do not do a job (to provide for my family) that kills other peoples families. They don't need to either.
Government employees seem to hate their job more than others ... and well they should. They should quit.

There is not evil government if the guys in the trenches refuse orders or quit.

[Romak]

The question Russell is what will you do when "they" come for you? Sounds like Oldman actually takes his responsibility as an American to arm himself seriously, why havent you? Oh I forget, passive resistance against people who you say will shoot unarmed people, kill innocents, etc. If "they" are as bad as you say how could you possibly remain an unarmed slave.

[guy]

I don't like calling the government thugs ..... but Ed does it all the time ....
to me ... bad things happen when you call those guys.

Calling the government a thug in general is one thing.  But I think the guys in the trenches are just guys like you and me, doing their jobs in order to provide for their families.  I've never met anyone who thinks his job is perfect.

If you do the bidding of the thuggish (in general) government .... then what does that make you.
You know a tree by its fruit and people by their actions.

I do not do a job (to provide for my family) that kills other peoples families. They don't need to either.
Government employees seem to hate their job more than others ... and well they should. They should quit.

There is not evil government if the guys in the trenches refuse orders or quit.

Maybe you don't do a job that kills other peoples' families, but are you sure that your job doesn't indirectly harm others in any way?  If you do a job to provide for your family, that may indirectly harm someone else, will you choose to harm your family by not doing your job in order not to indirectly harm someone else?  The only reason for life is to procreate in order to pass on your genes, and to protect your offspring to protect those genes.  It's called Natural Selection.  People do what it takes to provide for their families.  That includes, usually, doing what your employer asks you to do.  I'm not apoologizing for them, but for many in the trenches, refusing orders and/or quitting is not an option; especially if it means harming their own families by doing so.

[Kat Kanning]

You sound like a thug-apologist to me.

[guy]

I'm sure, if you consider the folks in the trenches just doing their jobs, thugs.  I'll bet if you sat down and had a cup of coffee with one of them, you might realize that you are not all that different.  I know, I know... I'm an apologist.  Maybe it's because I'm a middle child...   

[Russell Kanning]

The only reason for life is to procreate in order to pass on your genes, and to protect your offspring to protect those genes.  It's called Natural Selection.

I'm not apoologizing for them, but for many in the trenches, refusing orders and/or quitting is not an option; especially if it means harming their own families by doing so.

My life is a lot more meaningful than that. We look at life very differently.

Are they unthinking beasts? Are there no moral decisions?
Then why waste time talking about proper actions on a forum?
You might as well just go back to your survival of the fittest.

Why try to reason with me about what jobs are right or wrong or whether I should criticize these government thugs?

[Oldmanofthemountain]

I have threatened no one, although in the case of Randy Weaver, I would be dead or have a substantial body count if that had been done to my family.

Why not do it now? Weaver's family was hit already. Ed and Elaine could be next.
What will you do when they come for you?

Other than the confiscatory taxes, my family has not been physically harmed, if they ever are, I am ready.