Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 17

[JosephSHaas]

Hey!  I just got a bizarre e-mail that this Randy Weaver might not be the Real McCoy, or that he or some local doctor, airline pilot or politician might be some kind of "Sleeper" programmed under "Operation Open Eyes" to become "Clear Eyes" when he listens to some radio show (example given in some (c)1996 Rumor Mill News article to Tom Valentine as an example for his program then, so implying from Alex Jones? now as the new electronic wave trigger man?), and go nuts like Sirhan Sirhan did when he shot and killed Bobby Kennedy, plus to this day him not realizing what he did in that zombie state as a real Manchurian candidate. Reminds me of what I see in Concord every day with the State Reps: them going down or over to the feeding trough(s) to get their daily dose of whatever.  Stephen King: where are you?  We might need that guy with the metal plate in his head! "TommyKnockers", as seen also before his book on the Tuesday Night T.V. Movie of the Week.

Or is this some publicity hype to get this not only on the Nightly News but Late Night? with that Coast-to-Coast program dealing with the really weird stuff heard in the we-hours of the morning.

Or maybe some propoganda to keep some of us away from there, putting the fear of the uknown into us by the government.  This same e-mail saying that the real purpose was for killing Vickie Weaver as the Christian leading Randy to the truth, and now he's connected to "The Dark Side" as in Star Wars, BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

I kid you not, this is what I relay, so PLEASE, like they say: do not kill the messenger.     - - J.H.

[Critter183]

Because I choose to see them as misguided individual human beings,

That is by far the kindest thing that can be said for those thugs.

Has a single one of them ever come out and said that the ATF, FBI and federal marshals handled Waco and Ruby Ridge in a criminal and homicidal manner and that there should be mass prosecution of all involved? Just one? Has even one of these guys come out and demanded that the thugs responsible for killing all those people be brought to justice? Even one?

Were the Nazi Gestapo just misguided individuals or were they evil men? How about the KGB? Or the Chinese who killed all those students in Tiananmen Square? Or Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge? Simply misguided or evil?

Yeah, the door might hit me in the ass, but it won't be on my way to hell, that's for sure.

[Critter183]

Peruse this link for a while and then tell me that the perpetrators were simply misguided:

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/map/d_list00.html

[LordBaltimore]

Were the Nazi Gestapo

Don't suppose I could invoke Godwin's Law.

[Critter183]

Were the Nazi Gestapo

Don't suppose I could invoke Godwin's Law.

Nope.

The mentality is exactly the same.

[Caleb]

Were the Nazi Gestapo

Don't suppose I could invoke Godwin's Law.

There again, it could be argued that the reason Godwin's law came about is because there are so many legitimate parallels between all forms of tyrannical regimes. 

[Caleb]

On a related note, I met a woman today who lived through world war II ... in Germany. She said that "there is more Nazism in America than there was in Nazi Germany."  She also said she can't stomach politics because all the politicians want to do is steal from people.

[Critter183]

She said that "there is more Nazism in America than there was in Nazi Germany." 

Almost everyone I know from the former soviet bloc says the same thing. They might have been poor and hungry, but they certainly were not as policed.

[Critter183]

Hey!  I just got a bizarre e-mail that this Randy Weaver might not be the Real McCoy,

I got a PM yesterday from a gal that runs another forum, and she had just gotten off the phone with Randy. It is definitely the real Randy going. She called him after she heard the AJ show. Whether the real randy has been co-opted by the feds, I do not know. I highly doubt it however.

[LordBaltimore]

On a related note, I met a woman today who lived through world war II ... in Germany. She said that "there is more Nazism in America than there was in Nazi Germany." 

My guess is she isn't Jewish.

[Romak]

Its cool Richardr Id rather stand alone then be joined by the timid. It seems as though its all or nothing for people in this forum at times. People in here are so opposed to everything that has to do with the Govt. You know when the FSP started and we joined it immediately we had hope that the fringe element of society wouldnt be the ones joining and moving here and it seems most of  those who have moved here are a bit over the top. Thought by coming in here showing some support for the Marshall in charge at least some in here would be able to admit that he is actually doing a professional job considering what hes dealing with. Apparently I was wrong and according to those in here the only way he is doing a good job is by letting the Browns walk. I for one cant see how thats the right thing to do. You may disagree with the income tax being legal. But a lot of you also believe drugs should be legal right? Does that mean the Marshall should also look the other way when a convicted drug dealer skips out on his sentence and holds up in his house because he doesnt want to do time because he thinks drugs should be legal. Where does it end, maybe someone believes that the 2nd amendment also includes having nuclear "arms", should he be allowed to procure them and when he is busted the Marshalls should leave him alone as well because he thinks its covered under the 2nd amendment? Whats so hard to understand, if you dont like the rules elect people to change them. I dont see any of you doing anything to get this tax abolished. Correct me if Im wrong.

[guy]

Isn't this Randy Weaver a racist?

[Oldmanofthemountain]

Its cool Richardr Id rather stand alone then be joined by the timid. It seems as though its all or nothing for people in this forum at times. People in here are so opposed to everything that has to do with the Govt. You know when the FSP started and we joined it immediately we had hope that the fringe element of society wouldnt be the ones joining and moving here and it seems most of  those who have moved here are a bit over the top. Thought by coming in here showing some support for the Marshall in charge at least some in here would be able to admit that he is actually doing a professional job considering what hes dealing with. Apparently I was wrong and according to those in here the only way he is doing a good job is by letting the Browns walk. I for one cant see how thats the right thing to do. You may disagree with the income tax being legal. But a lot of you also believe drugs should be legal right? Does that mean the Marshall should also look the other way when a convicted drug dealer skips out on his sentence and holds up in his house because he doesnt want to do time because he thinks drugs should be legal. Where does it end, maybe someone believes that the 2nd amendment also includes having nuclear "arms", should he be allowed to procure them and when he is busted the Marshalls should leave him alone as well because he thinks its covered under the 2nd amendment? Whats so hard to understand, if you dont like the rules elect people to change them. I dont see any of you doing anything to get this tax abolished. Correct me if Im wrong.

The two parties in control of our government will not allow anything to be changed within the system. Essentially what we have is a two party dictatorship, and states rights have been squashed by an over reaching government. The second amendment was put in place, because the founding fathers knew all too well, what would happen if the peoples voice was silenced. The founding fathers also started a revolution over much less than we are being forced to live under today.

[Critter183]

Isn't this Randy Weaver a racist?

Randy was (or maybe still is) a separatist. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a racist. What's your definition?

[Caleb]

Its cool Richardr Id rather stand alone then be joined by the timid. It seems as though its all or nothing for people in this forum at times. People in here are so opposed to everything that has to do with the Govt.

I refer you to the FSP's statement of intent: I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the state of New Hampshire. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property.
 Ed and Elaine Brown have not aggressed against anyone's life, liberty, or property. Ergo ... I should be appalled if the federal government attacks them.  Guess what?  I AM APPALLED!!!!!!

You know when the FSP started and we joined it immediately we had hope that the fringe element of society wouldnt be the ones joining and moving here and it seems most of  those who have moved here are a bit over the top.

In other words ... you had hoped that the people who were moving with the FSP had no intention of carrying out their statement of intent, and actually working for a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property? Or, you would be more content with people who believe in freedom in the privacy of their own homes, but don't dare disobey or sneer at the wonderful authoritarian government that you are in love with.

Thought by coming in here showing some support for the Marshall in charge at least some in here would be able to admit that he is actually doing a professional job considering what hes dealing with.

Yeah. In the same way that Osama Bin Laden is actually doing a professional job, considering what he is dealing with. They both work for terrorist organizations.

Apparently I was wrong and according to those in here the only way he is doing a good job is by letting the Browns walk.

No. We also suggested he could quit his job and find productive work to do.

I for one cant see how thats the right thing to do. You may disagree with the income tax being legal. But a lot of you also believe drugs should be legal right? Does that mean the Marshall should also look the other way when a convicted drug dealer skips out on his sentence and holds up in his house because he doesnt want to do time because he thinks drugs should be legal.

yes. A voluntary commercial transaction is not an aggression against life, liberty, or property, and therefore the government ought have no interest in it.

Where does it end, maybe someone believes that the 2nd amendment also includes having nuclear "arms", should he be allowed to procure them and when he is busted the Marshalls should leave him alone as well because he thinks its covered under the 2nd amendment?

YES!  Now you're getting it, Romak. I knew you'd come around.

Whats so hard to understand, if you dont like the rules elect people to change them. I dont see any of you doing anything to get this tax abolished. Correct me if Im wrong.

Romak, I do not give my consent to this federal government. What is so hard to understand about that? They have no jurisdiction over me, as I have withdrawn my consent. I only agree to be bound by the Golden Rule. What is so hard for you to understand about that?