Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 17

[(V)]

Remembering Ed is charged with buying money orders. With lawfully acquired money.

Get several years of jail time, a felony conviction, and lose everything you own, for buying money orders. Laundering, a law we were told was created to get those pesky drug king pins.

I don't remember voting to create the IRS. I remember the Congress trying to rein them in. But let's not forget everyone is under the thumb of the IRS. Everyone in this country is one step away from a felony conviction. An administative agency that writes it's own contradictory rules, that isn't libel if they mislead or lie to you. If you don't bend over the barrel for them they will destroy your life.

Vote our way out of this mess 

Don't pay the bastards, don't play their game. I am not a slave.

[JosephSHaas]

Isn't this Randy Weaver a racist?

Randy was (or maybe still is) a separatist. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a racist. What's your definition?

Who's your daddy?   

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[Brock]

Caleb:

All elements of your latest post above have been echoed far and wide, but never have I seen them so succinctly placed in one basket for the world to agree or disagree with.  You boiled volumes of work into a masterpiece of elocution.  Congratulations, brother, for we and ours shall inherit true life, liberty, and property one day, if only for a few fleeting moments.

[MaineShark]

Thought by coming in here showing some support for the Marshall in charge at least some in here would be able to admit that he is actually doing a professional job considering what hes dealing with.

The Nazis were very professional, too.  Just look at all their neat records of how many Jews they exterminated each day, and how efficient the operation was.  All very, very professional.

Apparently I was wrong and according to those in here the only way he is doing a good job is by letting the Browns walk. I for one cant see how thats the right thing to do.

What is obscuring your vision?  Maybe we can help.  And no, he's not "doing a good job" if he "lets the Browns walk."  That's like saying that the guy I passed in the aisle at the hardware store earlier today was "doing a good job" because he didn't hack my arm off with the hatchet he was purchasing.

No one earns praise by simply not doing evil.  Praise is earned by doing good.

Does that mean the Marshall should also look the other way when a convicted drug dealer skips out on his sentence and holds up in his house because he doesnt want to do time because he thinks drugs should be legal.

Yup.  Why shouldn't he?

Where does it end, maybe someone believes that the 2nd amendment also includes having nuclear "arms", should he be allowed to procure them and when he is busted the Marshalls should leave him alone as well because he thinks its covered under the 2nd amendment?

Um, it does cover nuclear arms, so he would be perfectly correct in thinking that it does.  "Arms" includes all weapons, of any sort.  It does not limit the type or number of those weapons in any way, shape, or form.

Whats so hard to understand, if you dont like the rules elect people to change them.

Why?  They aren't my rules.  Some folks in DC decide that they have the right to put a gun to my head and demand money, and it's my fault because I didn't beg them not to?  What sense does that make?  Saying "we are the government" doesn't give one magical powers.  Initiating force against others is wrong.  Always.  Without any exception, ever.  Can I make that any clearer for you?  I don't care who is doing it, or how many thugs support him in doing it, it's still wrong.

Joe

[E-ville]

Guys remember what how all this got started with Randy Weaver.. He sawed a shotgun off, a bit to short.. it's legal to have a shotgun that sawn off , but only if it is (I believe) 18" from the breach.. and look what the feds did in the end...  they killed all those people and used all that force for a guy that sawed off a shotgun to short... And its said that he did this under direction of a undercover fed.

No this situation is bigger because, if they do nothing they legitimize so called "tax evasion" crimes and people know what they need to do to "get away" with it. Or, If some how there is a new trial in the way Ed wants to do it and its proven that the tax system isn't legal.. either way the outcome will be basically the same.. no taxes getting paid to the feds...

Now what do you think there going to do to a guy thats threatening the legality and morality of the entire system that supports the Fed government?

I don't think it takes much of a imagination to figure this out.

Now that outcome will simply make Americans mad, but yet more scared into doing as the fed wish and paying there taxes.. remember they rule by fear. But ther is a chance that it may bring some attention to Ron Paul and his abolishing the IRS.. So that may be the only positive of this entire thing.

E-ville

[MaineShark]

Guys remember what how all this got started with Randy Weaver.. He sawed a shotgun off, a bit to short.. it's legal to have a shotgun that sawn off , but only if it is (I believe) 18" from the breach.. and look what the feds did in the end...  they killed all those people and used all that force for a guy that sawed off a shotgun to short... And its said that he did this under direction of a undercover fed.

No this situation is bigger because, if they do nothing they legitimize so called "tax evasion" crimes and people know what they need to do to "get away" with it.

Of course, sawing off that shotgun was a tax issue.  There's nothing illegal about making a short-barrel shotgun.  The only thing illegal was that he did it without buying a tax stamp from the Feds.  That's it.

A mother and child were murdered because the Feds were angry that he didn't fill out some paperwork and pay them $200.  That's the price of two lives, to these folks.  And yes, the folks there now (like Monier) are guilty by association.  The belong to a system that is rotten to the core.  Saying that they are somehow different and better than those others is like saying that the Klansmen holding the torches and cheering are somehow different and better than the one actually doing the lynching.

Joe

[Critter183]

Of course, sawing off that shotgun was a tax issue. 

And all of the Davidians were killed over the same $200 tax issue. Don't forget that. The simple fact is that the feds are nothing but collection thugs for the world's largest organized crime syndicate, The United States Government.

[JosephSHaas]

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=105749

[MaineShark]

Of course, sawing off that shotgun was a tax issue.

And all of the Davidians were killed over the same $200 tax issue. Don't forget that. The simple fact is that the feds are nothing but collection thugs for the world's largest organized crime syndicate, The United States Government.

Yeah, but at least they were accused of multiple counts of tax evasion!  (of course, there was never any evidence of it; the warrant was issued based on obvious lies)  That certainly means that the the BATFE were "doing a good job" when they burned those people to death!

Joe

[KBCraig]

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=105749

Bad satire.

[KBCraig]

Guys remember what how all this got started with Randy Weaver.. He sawed a shotgun off, a bit to short..

Of course, sawing off that shotgun was a tax issue.  There's nothing illegal about making a short-barrel shotgun.  The only thing illegal was that he did it without buying a tax stamp from the Feds.  That's it.

It's worth noting that a government informant asked him to saw off the shotgun, and carefully pointed out exactly where it should be sawn off (below the 18" limit). The feds hoped they could hold this over Weaver's head and turn him into an informant. He didn't play their game, so they killed his wife and son.

[Kat Kanning]

Having watched these mashals in action, it's difficult to think of them as anything but thugs.  They were far more brutal than any other officers we've dealt with.

[kadar]

Officers are becoming a rare breed.

[MaineShark]

I do like the distinction that many make between "Law Enforcement Officers" and "Peace Officers."  A Peace Officer is someone who is charged with maintaining the peace.  To him, the law is a tool that he can use to remove dangerous people from society, and he only uses it against people he thinks are a danger to others.  Now, there is still the possibility of abuse, as he may consider something (eg, selling drugs) to be dangerous, and go after you.

But the Law Enforcement Officer thinks the law is an end unto itself.  It's not a tool, that can be used to enforce "proper" conduct.  To him, the law defines proper conduct, and any violation (no matter if it harms no one) deserves to be aggressively prosecuted.

I'd prefer we had neither, but until then, the former are much easier to deal with than the latter.  Sadly (on that count), Peace Officers are nearly an extinct breed.  We probably have some of the few remaining specimens of that species in this state...

Joe

[Lloyd Danforth]

That is a great distinction, Joe.  A good question to ask any cop is if he knows the difference between an leo and a Peace officer.