Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 19

[Lloyd Danforth]

OK,  They were not allowed to present all of their evidence.

[Russell Kanning]

do not feed the troll.

kola

they're everywhere

[Russell Kanning]

OK,  They were not allowed to present all of their evidence.

and they were constantly told by the judge that their evidence was no good

[Russell Kanning]

Then he said, "Oh, I keep telling them to just leave the man alone.  Just don't bother him and stay away from him.  I really hope they stay away from him and leave him alone." 

It is interesting how he is in communication with the fed guys and not Ed. He acts like the fed marshals can act decently and rationally.

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

Being on a turtle's back, we (I) or I (we) will not be able to attend the concert.
Best to Elaine and Ed.  Maybe we will find a call in, on one of the supportive coverages.
Blessings to everyone.

May I  suggest that someone sell donuts at the end of the driveway.
This way you will know Who is Who.

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

This hundred year tax thing. Hmmm.  My friend has a grandmother who says there was no income tax before the WW2.  She said that it was during the war that people were asked to volunteer,  a war tax, that is what you see in old propaganda movies with people announcing they are "taxpayers."
Supporting the good ole war.
Then the grandmother said, "People just kept paying them since then."  "Before that time, there was no such thing as tax on labor."

[EthanAllen]

This hundred year tax thing. Hmmm.  My friend has a grandmother who says there was no income tax before the WW2.  She said that it was during the war that people were asked to volunteer,  a war tax, that is what you see in old propaganda movies with people announcing they are "taxpayers."
Supporting the good ole war.
Then the grandmother said, "People just kept paying them since then."  "Before that time, there was no such thing as tax on labor."

The Federal Government actually first enacted a tax on income to pay for the North's war effort during "Civil War" which was stopped after the war ended.

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1986/winter/civil-war-tax-records.html

excerpt:
the first income tax was actually levied almost fifty-one years earlier by an act of Congress on July 1, 1862 (12 Stat. 432).  The records of that first income tax are a valuable source for family and local history.

The Civil War income tax was the first tax paid on individual incomes by residents of the United States.  It was a "progressive" tax in that it initially levied a tax of 3 percent on annual incomes over $600 but less than $10,000 and a tax of 5 percent on any income over $10,000.  In 1864 the rates increased and the ceiling dropped so that incomes between $600 and $5,000 were taxed at 5 percent, with a 10 percent rate on the excess over $5,000.  Passed as an emergency measure to finance the Union cause in the Civil War, the first income tax generated approximately $55 million in government revenues during the war.  Paying the taxes was viewed as part of the patriotic war effort, and the whole country was proud when the merchant prince A. T. Stewart paid $400,000 in taxes on an income of $4 million. 1

Taxes were levied on residents of all states and territories not in rebellion.  In the South, some states operated under reconstruction governments while the war went on.  Virginia, for example, the site of the Confederate capital, was largely controlled by federal forces, and northern and western Virginians were subject to the income tax from the beginning.  States that seceded were included in the tax base as soon as Union troops established control.  Georgians paid income taxes in 1865 even though their state was not officially readmitted to the Union until 1870.

The Civil War taxes were not immediately repealed at the end of the war but continued in force until 1872, when the Grant administration sponsored the repeal of most of the "emergency" taxes.

[LordBaltimore]

This hundred year tax thing. Hmmm.  My friend has a grandmother who says there was no income tax before the WW2.  She said that it was during the war that people were asked to volunteer,  a war tax, that is what you see in old propaganda movies with people announcing they are "taxpayers."
Supporting the good ole war.
Then the grandmother said, "People just kept paying them since then."  "Before that time, there was no such thing as tax on labor."

Your friend's grandma was wrong.  There was no paycheck withholding prior to WWII.  The income tax in its current form was passed into law in 1913, although there were prior versions going all the way back to 1862.

[LordBaltimore]

OK,  They were not allowed to present all of their evidence.

Ed didn't even show up to present evidence when it was his turn.  Poor Elaine was on her own.

[Russell Kanning]

May I  suggest that someone sell donuts at the end of the driveway.
This way you will know Who is Who.

so if someone pulls out a gun and demands donuts ...... they are feds?

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

This hundred year tax thing. Hmmm.  My friend has a grandmother who says there was no income tax before the WW2.  She said that it was during the war that people were asked to volunteer,  a war tax, that is what you see in old propaganda movies with people announcing they are "taxpayers."
Supporting the good ole war.
Then the grandmother said, "People just kept paying them since then."  "Before that time, there was no such thing as tax on labor."

Your friend's grandma was wrong.  There was no paycheck withholding prior to WWII.  The income tax in its current form was passed into law in 1913, although there were prior versions going all the way back to 1862.

Let me clarify, sorry if it came out sounding wrong with definitions of words that change definitions. I should not have used the word income tax.
The grandmother said, "Back in the old days, when we were young, when we worked for others, we received a paycheck and did not have anything deducted nor did we have to fill out a form for taxes on the labor we supplied."  "No yearly filing for labor wages."  "It was not done."  "When the WW2 came, we were asked to volunteer to a tax collected to support the war efforts (WW2)." "Since then, we have been filing ever since."

The grandmother was not born till after 1913. 

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

If someone has a fancy for donuts at the event, they may just be feds.

From the profilers for dummies handbook...
Most feds appear well fed.  Hahahaha. I made a funny.

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I used to like donuts. Now I can hardly stand them. I can't even drink Dunkin Donuts coffee.

[Russell Kanning]

http://www.nhpr.org/node/13434

they are picking up the theme that the browns are not appreciated by the "town" .... but they give the wrong impression since they don't point out that so far ... only the town government guys have expressed their displeasure

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I guess the neighbors sent Ed and Elaine a letter. I haven't seen it; this is just what I heard.

The feds have been unusually quiet on the network today. Calm before a storm, perhaps?