Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 21

[LordBaltimore]

Were they asleep when they were arrested?

The arrests took place mid afternoon.

[Romak]

Thats why you should have your house set up so even if you are asleep no problem whatsoever. Two big dogs, motion sensors that don't rely on electricity would do the trick. Matter of fact it does the trick and I can sleep sound knowing that if anyone gets within 20 feet of any window or door in my home I will be up in time to protect my wife and kids from any criminal who wants to do us harm. And to think I'm not even an enemy of the state like Reno is.

[Romak]

Hey Richardr so much for us being on the positive end of karma..............

[CNHT]

This news video will not load for me as these embedded ones often don't.

http://www.kiiitv.com/news/local (scroll down for link)

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Video: http://clips.shadowtv.net/media/stv/16004/278/2007/255/18/16004_278_20070912_185733_107.wmv
Article: http://www.kiiitv.com/news/local/9746237.html

[Recumbent ReCycler]

The

possession and use of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence

charge sounds like BS to me.  I am not aware of any violence that has occurred in relation to the Browns' case.

[Dave Ridley]

OK i am scheduling a snap demonstration for tomorrow, protesting the arrests of the four Brown supporters.

When: Thu, Sept 13 2007.... 3:30 - 5:00p
Where:  Outside Manchester Fed Bldg, 1000 Elm Street

lauren has put this on the calendar

My sign idea: 

Free the
Ed Brown
supporters
NHfree.com

reach me at 721 1490 with questions

[Liberty Forever]

Hi All.
Just found your forum after seeing story in Concord Monitor about DHS Helicopter used at Browns house.  What a travesty.
Just wanted to find out why a forum like this allows people like that guy Richardr to come on here and be government propaganda parrots all day.
Aren't there thousands of government propaganda parrot websites this guy can play at.  This forum seems to be about Liberty and the rights of citizens.
Why do you let government propaganda parrots like Richardr have their playtime here?
I am for freedom of speech and association.
When you allow government propaganda puppets like Richardr to play here all day you are effectively destroying the rights of the liberty and freedom fighters to freely associate without the pecking annoyance of his lunacy.  It's not that what the parrot says is in any way a substantive threat to the liberty and freedom fighters here, it is just about the invasive quality of him being allowed to play here.  Freedom of association means the freedom to not associate, or to not give forum to those we wish not to.  Why does this site indulge these lunatics?
Having someone on a site like this lecture about the "law" all day (the guy needs a real job) is just an abuse of the passion and attention the liberty and freedom minded people who gravitate here bring.  Any law that is inconsistent with the basic law of the constitutions in place in this country is not law at all.  That is just the way it is.  These government propaganda parrots are to narrow minded to get this.
They don't want to get this.  They are hopeless.  Let them go somewhere else so we can freely associate without the parrot noise.

[Liberty Forever]

We try and ignore trolls.

Believe me with the number and frequency of the parrots' posts the ignoring isn't working.  Plus what happens when there are two trolls, then three, multiple parrots chirping to each other at once.  What happens to the association we wish to have with each other then?
Just get these guys out of our parade.  This is a liberty parade.  Let these parrots go march where they are welcome at the sheeple parade.

[YixilTesiphon]

Just because these guys don't like the Browns doesn't make them freedom haters or trolls.

[Dave Ridley]

Action item:
Here are some folks you can call to complain about these arrests.   Don't call any emergency numbers plz.  I'm not sure any of us ever have done so over this but that was the allegation last month.

U.S. Marshalls, New Hampshire
Stephen Monier (guy in charge)
603 225 1632

NH Sen. John Sununu
603-647-7500
You can ask him what he's doing to keep the other feds from arresting or killing Ed and his friends. One approach is to keep the message under 12 words and ask his secretary to write it down word for word.

Office of NH Governor Lynch
State House
25 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301
(603)271-2121 (603)271-7680 (fax) Email the Governor at
http://www.egov.nh.gov/governor/goveforms/comments.asp

NH Sen. Judd Gregg
603-225-7115

U.S. Rep Paul Hodes
Washington, DC Web Address:
http://hodes.house.gov/
Washington, DC Web Mail Address:
http://www.house.gov/htbin/wre ...
Washington, DC Address
506 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-5206
Distric Address - Concord
114 North Main Street
Second Floor
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: 603-223-9814

State Representative Matthew Houde (D)
Current District: Sullivan 01
First Elected: 11/07/2006
Birth date: 03/27/1969
28 Bean Road, Apt C
Plainfield NH 03781-5479
603 469 3149
matthewhoude-at-yahoo.com

Ed's other State Representative Carla Skinder (D,R - you can be both at same time in NH)
Current District: Sullivan 01
First Elected: 11/07/2006
465 East Road
Cornish NH 03745-4433
603 542 6065
603 543 6895
603 863 8383
e-mail: cskinder-at-vrh.org carla.skinder-at-leg.state.nh.us

Attorney General Kelly Ayotte
http://doj.nh.gov/
33 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: 603-271-3658
TTYD Number: 800-735-2964
Fax: 603-271-2110


William M. Gardner (NH)
Current Office: Secretary of State
First Elected: 1976
Party: Democrat
elections@sos.state.nh.us
http://www.sos.nh.gov/
Department Address
State Capitol, Room 204
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: 603-271-3242
Fax: 603-271-6316


US Representative Carol Shea-Porter (D) , NH
The other NH rep. technically she is not ed's rep.
Current District: 1
First Elected: 11/07/2006
Washington, DC Web Address:
http://shea-porter.house.gov/
Washington, DC Address
1508 Longworth HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-5456
District Address - Dover
104 Washington Street
Dover, NH 03820
Phone: 603-743-4813
Fax: 603-743-5956
District Address - Manchester
33 Lowell Street
Manchester, NH 03101
Phone: 603-641-9536
Fax: 603-641-9561

[Dave Ridley]

sent this to my email list

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Washington starts arresting Brown supporters

According to an article in the Boston Globe, Federal Marshals have just arrested 4 supporters of NH tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown.

If you are uncomfortable with Federal attempts to put a man and wife in jail for keeping the fruits of their labor; if you're uneasy with their arrests of four citizens who came to defend their home....Please drop by

http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=3868.msg184059#msg184059

There you will find a copy of the Globe article, and an invitation to join our Sept. 13 snap demonstration in Manchester.  A small number of us will be standing in front of a Federal building protesting the arrests.  Also on that thread will be discussion you can join, as well as  action items for constructively responding to this move by Washington.

If they come for these men today, and there is no outcry, how long will it be before they come for you? 

[CNHT]

When you allow government propaganda puppets like Richardr to play here all day you are effectively destroying the rights of the liberty and freedom fighters to freely associate without the pecking annoyance of his lunacy.  It's not that what the parrot says is in any way a substantive threat to the liberty and freedom fighters here, it is just about the invasive quality of him being allowed to play here.  Freedom of association means the freedom to not associate, or to not give forum to those we wish not to.  Why does this site indulge these lunatics?

I guess if they allow socialists, and others who vote for big government to give them their 'rights', and GW shills giving into the UN, they can tolerate richardr who is merely expressing his opinion about how he sees the futility of the situation.

[Nicholas Gilman]

    Wookie posted:

Action item:
Here are some folks you can call to complain about these arrests. 

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Supporters of Browns arrested
Plainfield
Marshal: The four obstructed justice
   
By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff
September 13. 2007 12:26AM

Four supporters of Plainfield tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown were arrested yesterday and charged with helping the Browns obstruct justice, according to the U.S. Marshal for New Hampshire.

The four men, who were arrested outside of New Hampshire, include Cirino Gonzalez, the longtime Brown blogger who boasted of bringing a .50-caliber rifle to the house; and Daniel Riley, the Albany electrician who was Tasered by marshals in June after stumbling upon a surveillance team while walking the Browns' dog.

The four men have all spent time at the Browns' fortified concrete home over the last eight months while the couple has refused to surrender to authorities. The Browns were both convicted of tax crimes and sentenced to more than five years in prison. But they have remained holed up at home, thanks, in part, to a rotating cast of supporters bringing them food, supplies and cell phones. The Browns contend that there is no law requiring them to pay federal income taxes, and they have vowed to die before turning themselves in.

"These men are alleged to have helped the Browns in their ongoing refusal to surrender to authorities," Marshal Stephen Monier said. ". . . Anyone who aids the Browns is subject to investigation, arrest, and prosecution for serious felonies, which carry very heavy prison sentences."

The four men arrested were Gonzalez, 30 of Alice, Texas, Riley, 40, of Albany, Jason Gerhard, 22 of Brookhaven, N.Y., and Robert Wolffe, 50, of Randolph, Vt. The marshal did not specify what each man was charged with but described a range of felonies, including accessory after the fact and possession and use of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence.
   
The men are expected to be arraigned today in their local federal district courts. Monier said he would provide more details about his investigation in a press briefing today.

On an audio recording posted online last night, Ed Brown said he did not know why his friends were arrested, but he thought the marshals had behaved improperly.

"It's all nonsense, as usual. They always pick the wrong targets, and they picked the wrong targets again," he said. "They don't really do anything. They're just friends."

On another recording, Elaine Brown urged supporters to call the police to ask for answers and to come to the house with their "liberty tools."

Monier has repeated since the Browns' sentencing in April that his office would investigate any supporters who helped the couple obstruct justice, but yesterday's arrests are the first officials have made in the case.

Monier has not detailed the allegations against each man, but all have engaged in public acts of support for the couple.

In the case of Gonzalez, he lived with the couple for several months, providing internet updates on the couple's status, shopping for the Browns and bringing weapons to the house. Gonzalez is a former Navy weapons expert and military contractor, and he sometimes described his role as a security advisor to the Browns. According to his father, Jose Gonzalez, who also visited the couple briefly, Cirino Gonzalez was asked to leave the house after an argument with Ed Brown over security measures.

He recently returned to his Texas home and has posted on his blog that he hopes to return to Iraq to protest the U.S. mission there.

Riley was visiting the Plainfield house on the June day when federal and local law enforcement agents swarmed the area with swat teams and a bomb squad. Riley was walking the couple's shepherd, Zoe, early in the morning when he discovered a marshal hiding in the bushes near the foot of the driveway. According to a lengthy internet video, Riley said he greeted the marshal and was Tasered and detained after trying to run away. Since June, he has been back to the house, one time claiming that he heard shots fired behind the house.

Riley has also been involved in efforts to raise money to help the Browns. He and Shaun Kranish, of Illinois, have set up a Paypal account and asked for checks and money orders in addition to credit card payments. Kranish was not arrested yesterday.

Gerhard, who was arrested in Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri, was out shopping for the Browns when he hit a teenager's car with the Browns' SUV in July, according to the mother of the girl who was hit. Ed Brown described the accident as a "fender bender," but Judith Dunham said that her daughter's car had been totaled and that the driver identified himself as Gerhard. Marshals seized Brown's vehicle after the accident.

Wolffe, a friend of Ed Brown's from before Brown's arrest last year, invited supporters to send packages for the couple to his Vermont home after marshals cut off postal delivery to the Brown residence. At the time, the Browns were requesting cash and weapons. Wolffe, who is running for a seat in the Vermont House, is the Vermont director of the U.S. Constitution Rangers, a national anti-government group that Ed Brown once led.

News of the arrests filtered slowly onto the blogs and internet radio shows frequented by Brown supporters last night.

Valerie Wolffe, Robert Wolffe's wife, appeared on We the People Radio Network last night to describe the arrest. On the show, she said marshals did not tell her husband what the charges against him were. She said she was asked about his offer to deliver packages and about whether they had stayed at the Browns' house.

In an interview last night, Valerie Wolffe confirmed that her husband had been arrested and said she knew little more.

"I really don't have anything to say because I don't understand it all yet myself," she said.

Donna Van Meter, a friend of Gonzalez's, described his arrest in a MySpace blog posting.

"The ATF the US MARSHALS and the local boys came in at 11:43 this morning and took reno into custody WITHOUT A WARRANT and WITHOUT TELLING US FOR WHAT CHARREGES, THEY TOOK ALL GUNS ON THE PROPERTY, Reno was asleep and i was showering when i heard a banging and yelling i got out of the shower with only a towel, to find a handful of officers beating him, they will not tell him on what charges," she wrote.

Marshals have done little day-to-day monitoring of the Brown property, but they have taken steps to increase pressure on the couple. In June, the day Riley met agents, marshals seized a commercial building belonging to the couple and cut phone and utility lines to the house. The home was designed to function "off the grid," with solar panels and a wind turbine. The Browns have said they're not bothered by the shutoff. The Browns have also not suffered much from their loss of phone service. Supporters have brought them prepaid cell phones, which have allowed the Browns to stay in touch with allies and appear on an hourly radio show most weekdays.

They have used the show to describe their political and legal theories, and also to call for the killings of law enforcement figures who have interfered, or in some cases failed to intervene, in their case. Yesterday, Monier said that these threats have altered his view of the Browns' status.

"This was a tax case," he said, "but over the last seven months, the Browns have allegedly obstructed justice and encouraged others to assist them. Ed Brown has threatened to kill law enforcement officers and other government officials. So, our message to the Browns is clear: Do the right thing, call us, and surrender peacefully."

In a letter recently posted on the website of an alternative Maine newspaper, a federal official said surveillance had revealed traps and dangerous devices on the Browns' property. At various times during the standoff, they have requested weapons, night vision goggles and body armor.

The Browns are planning a concert and party at their house on Saturday. The "Fall Freedom Fest" is scheduled to run from noon to 10 p.m. and will include live music, barbecue and games of horseshoes and bocce, according to an internet flier signed by Riley.

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By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ

Monitor staff