Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 22

[Dave Ridley]

can someone plz provide us contact info for each of the prisoners so we can write them?

i have my stack of postcards ready.

[JosephSHaas]

great comments on the latest union leader article about the browns....

I guess that Ronald Phelps of #___ ____________ Street, Concord, N.H. Tel. _________ who commented about us being a bunch of "clowns" back on June 21st (type in "Ed Brown" in the search box, upper right of http://www.unionleader.com goes right to it) has nothing to say on the latest:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Haas+trial+moved+from+Newport&articleId=5d7ce5ea-78a0-4082-ace0-d60d8716bb17

Mrs. Terry Dudley, former Clerk of the House Judiciary Committee sitting in the courtroom on Tuesday gloating to testify that she felt threatened, not realizing that it was the WRONG court!  And we have people like her having put statutes on the books alright, but WHERE is their "oversight"!? I asked this of the chairman there a few years ago, and she said there is none!  If you don't like something, you wait until the following year and TRY to get a State Rep. to put in a House Bill.  Bullshit! Read my latest comment on the State Pension System in today's UNION LEADER.  Article 36 calls for an annual vote per retiree, NOT the "system"! and there are many in government, like our current governor who REFUSE to do their jobs while being paid every two weeks, but still get more later in retirement.  This crap has got to stop.  The governor "shall" be responsible for enforcing all legislative "mandates" by the "shall" word, according to Article 41, but does he?  Hell now he won't go there. RSA 123:1 requires the Feds to file with Bill Gardner's Office of Secretary of State.  Ed voices this to the Federal judge, and he laughs.  The governor laughs as he is an attorney too, and in the same bar, the code is to protect the brothers even over their RSA 92:2 oaths of office.  His oath is a farce.  Either he does the job, or is fired!  Wise up or be impeached! you bastard.  Yes John H. Lynch of Hopkinton is a bastard. The bastard. His "excellency" alright, an excellent bullshit artist!

J.S.H.

Modification: not 7890, but 78a0.

Also see for Danny Riley today at:
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=N.Y.+man+accused+of+aiding+Browns+held&articleID=3e6c5470-bbe4-452e-a960-0b86cec7b43e

[JosephSHaas]

can someone plz provide us contact info for each of the prisoners so we can write them?

i have my stack of postcards ready.

David, See my Reply #5699 above for Danny's address, but I'll repeat it here:

Daniel Riley, inmate
Essex County Jail
20 Manning Ave.
P.O. Box 807
Middleton, MAss.achusetts 01949-2807
978: 750-1900

Bob's address is:

Robert Wolffe
Strafford County House of Correction
County Farm Road
Dover, N.H. 03821-0799
603: 742-3310

- - Yours truly, Joe H.

P.S. I got Bob's address from out of the telephone book, and I did get Danny's address thanks to his brother Bill saying Essex County in Middleton, MAss. and the State Library reference librarian in Concord on duty yesterday looking it up on her computer for the actual street address, P.O. Box, and telephone number.

[Kat Kanning]

can someone plz provide us contact info for each of the prisoners so we can write them?

i have my stack of postcards ready.

David, See my Reply #5699 above for Danny's address, but I'll repeat it here:

Daniel Riley, inmate
Essex County Jail
20 Manning Ave.
P.O. Box 807
Middleton, MAss.achusetts 01949-2807
978: 750-1900

Bob's address is:

Robert Wolffe
Strafford County House of Correction
County Farm Road
Dover, N.H. 03821-0799
603: 742-3310

- - Yours truly, Joe H.

P.S. I got Bob's address from out of the telephone book, and I did get Danny's address thanks to his brother Bill saying Essex County in Middleton, MAss. and the State Library reference librarian in Concord on duty yesterday looking it up on her computer for the actual street address, P.O. Box, and telephone number.

Thanks Joe.

[Russell Kanning]

It's way too late for "peaceful" means of dealing with criminals who violate individual rights (unless Ron Paul actually wins - very unlikely)...

So you have joined our forum to debate people  ... reference your posts on another forum .... and now inform us that it is too late to be peaceful.
What did we do to deserve such a wonderful addition to our forum?
So what are you going to do about this rotten situation Christian Anarchist ... vote for ron paul or start shooting?

[ChristianAnarchist]

It's way too late for "peaceful" means of dealing with criminals who violate individual rights (unless Ron Paul actually wins - very unlikely)...

So you have joined our forum to debate people  ... reference your posts on another forum .... and now inform us that it is too late to be peaceful.
What did we do to deserve such a wonderful addition to our forum?
So what are you going to do about this rotten situation Christian Anarchist ... vote for ron paul or start shooting?

One thing I'm doing is promoting Ron Paul even though I predict that the men in power are willing to do anything to stop him from winning.  Any "talk" of shooting can be "interpreted" as a "terrorist" conspiracy and those speaking such vivitudes of violent viciousness must be violated.....

[LordBaltimore]

Is it just me or does it seem strange that two different defendants would "agree" to be jailed?
and one just before his lawyer was able to show video of his interview...

Whatever is on that video must be pretty bad.  Maybe he's trying to protect his wife?

[LordBaltimore]

Won't one of them tell the leach to back off ?

Nope. All four are using court appointed lawyers paid for by US taxpayers.  Considering that they're looking at anywhere between five years (for Wolffe), 21 years (for Riley and Gonzalez) and over a 100 years (for Gerhard) in prison, I don't really blame them.

I only find such hypocrisy mildly annoying compared to the fact that Mrs. Wolffe was an employee of the federal government during all this mess.  Cashing government paychecks while trashing the government is just ugly, and keeping a 62 page manual on how to murder federal government employees on her work computer is just mind-numbingly stupid.

[Romak]

Funny thing Richard I know of quite a few people here in NH and elsewhere who have been compiling lists of certain people who have spoken out or acted out in their quest to ban guns in this country. Most of them started this back in 1994 with Clinton enacting the "assault" weapon ban. They are just sitting on these lists waiting for a rainy day while continuing to compile names. I met this one guy who takes a couple of hours every weekend to read through tons of articles, etc and updates his list on a weekly basis. It includes home address' work address', etc. Not saying its right but its a lot more common than you may think. There are a lot of Americans who may not get involved directly but are watching with a lot of interest in whats going on in this country. Doesnt make it right but its pretty common amongst folk to do this sort of thing.

[Russell Kanning]

It's way too late for "peaceful" means of dealing with criminals who violate individual rights (unless Ron Paul actually wins - very unlikely)...

So you have joined our forum to debate people  ... reference your posts on another forum .... and now inform us that it is too late to be peaceful.
What did we do to deserve such a wonderful addition to our forum?
So what are you going to do about this rotten situation Christian Anarchist ... vote for ron paul or start shooting?

One thing I'm doing is promoting Ron Paul even though I predict that the men in power are willing to do anything to stop him from winning.  Any "talk" of shooting can be "interpreted" as a "terrorist" conspiracy and those speaking such vivitudes of violent viciousness must be violated.....

so what means to you plan to use ... since peaceful ones are too late?

[ChristianAnarchist]

It's way too late for "peaceful" means of dealing with criminals who violate individual rights (unless Ron Paul actually wins - very unlikely)...

So you have joined our forum to debate people  ... reference your posts on another forum .... and now inform us that it is too late to be peaceful.
What did we do to deserve such a wonderful addition to our forum?
So what are you going to do about this rotten situation Christian Anarchist ... vote for ron paul or start shooting?

One thing I'm doing is promoting Ron Paul even though I predict that the men in power are willing to do anything to stop him from winning.  Any "talk" of shooting can be "interpreted" as a "terrorist" conspiracy and those speaking such vivitudes of violent viciousness must be violated.....

so what means to you plan to use ... since peaceful ones are too late?

None.  I will sit quietly by as my friends and family are enslaved...

[Jim Johnson]

None.  I will sit quietly by as my friends and family are enslaved...

...and...what...wait for Jesus? 

[JosephSHaas]

Won't one of them tell the leach to back off ?

Nope. All four are using court appointed lawyers(*) paid for by US taxpayers.  Considering that they're looking at anywhere between five years (for Wolffe), 21 years (for Riley and Gonzalez) and over a 100 years (for Gerhard) in prison, I don't really blame them.

I only find such hypocrisy mildly annoying compared to the fact that Mrs. Wolffe was an employee of the federal government during all this mess.  Cashing government paychecks while trashing the government is just ugly, and keeping a 62 page manual on how to murder federal government employees on her work computer is just mind-numbingly stupid.

(*) The Arraignment for Jason was called by loud speaker at just before the 11:00 a.m. appointed time, they call the "list" lumping all defendants together no matter what types of charges, but some pornographer from Gilford was also on for 11:00 a.m.  and so unless you sat there listening to all that garbage, none of the bailiff's would alert us waiting in the hallway, and so we missed whatever happened in Jason's case, but not to complain as it was the same old, same old. My verbal comment into the "suggestion" window to the deputy Clerk, Mr. Lynch was that maybe a different alert could be implemented for the future.  He said that he'd pass this recommendation up to Clerk Js. R. Starr, who is on vacation this week, but kind of doubted anything would be done, as "usually" the defendant would have friends +/or relatives exiting the courtroom, sometimes with reporters there just for "that" case, informally announcing in effect that the next hearing was starting, but that he said although you might think the baliff's are sitting around doing nothing, that they are there for security IN the courtroom, and to step foot out through the door might allow for a hostile take-over of the courtroom.  Imagine that ever happening! 

Anyways, after my visit to see the Deputy Clerk, I noticed the reporters getting the verbal strategy notes from the defense attorney who said that the reason for waiving these detention hearings "without prejudice" is that they do so that if there be more evidence/testimony in the future for their defense, then they don't completely give up the right for a bail hearing from the start, but can keep it in reserves to use later.  And that in Jason's case of buying so many guns on different days, each day as a seperate offense, the potential time escalates like up to five (5) years for the first offense, up to ten (10) years for the second offense, etc.

[even though there be one goal, of like supplying the needed firepower to the Art. 10 Revolutionaries to offset a "militant" federal government with reactionaries that is using force as their evidence*.   Ed having had the evidence in his 2005 certificate from the N.H. Secretary of State that McAuliffee refused to mark as an Exhibit #___ for the jury to deliberate on for their verduct and so to declare a mistrial, especialy AFTER Danny wins his Petition for an Habeas Corpus with a MAss.achusetts judge.]

I commented to him/the defense attorney, that some federal judges in New York think that these mandatory minimum sentences imposed upon them to be that they "shall" or "must" apply the minimum time by Congress are unconstitutional, and he said something but never inferred that Barbadoro is in that same judicial boat as his brothers of the bar in New York state. I was going to say something else, but he had to go.  What I was going to say was the former House Criminal Justice Chairman/ Republican David Welch of Kingston, N.H. here in the State Legislature commented on this 3-charge bullshit for one offense that can be there for if the judge thinks the defendant found guilty needs to be taught a lesson like on misdemeanor crimes of simple assault, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct, for ONE offense/incident/ event, then the judge can, in effect, give the criminal-found-guilty the max per misdemeanor of one year x 3 = three years that is two years MORE than even the sentence of the minimum felony charge of one year and a day at the State Prison.

This is physcological warfare from our Congressmen and I don't like it! It should be per incident max to one year for one offense, at the state level, similarly dealt with on this one goal stuff at the federal level, and I'd like to see some Congressman put in a House Bill #_____ for this this Fall for 2008 Legislation. cc: Shea-Porter and Hodes, plus Gregg and Sununu. My drop-off of a copy of this to both Hodes and Gregg at their Concord offices on Main Street by me later this afternoon, with feedback please of your comments on this Federal Rep. and Senator.

The T.V. screen had Jason down for 11:00 a.m. and Margo told me afterwards that his "Detention hearing" is scheduled for next Tuesday morning at 9:30 a.m.

This afternoon Reno has his "Arraignment" at 3:30 p.m. for what's expected to be the same as the other three? or are we going to see some aggressivness against a court that is against the law? The judge will, of course, make the plea of not guilty FOR the defendant, but where are the objections by either the defendant or his attorney?  There are none from the latter because they do not want to upset the apple cart from where they are paid to be fed.  Fed as in feeding at the Federal trough, but it is a polluted trough! No jurisdiction by N.H. RSA 123:1 from 1-8-17, U.S. Const. in that the Feds were offered "concurrent jurisdiction" on Flag Day, June 14th, 1883 by the N.H. General Court, but they REFUSED! wanting "exclusive jurisdiction" for criminal cases, but in actuality having NO jurisdiction.  To find out WHERE these last two defendants are going to be incarcerated, there being no relatives of Jason here today in court today to tell us where he came from, or is going, like Bill for Danny yesterday; and to see if there be some relatives for Reno this afternoon.

Plus there's been an elderly couple attending all these hearings, the man in the white beard looking like Santa Claus, and when I made some comment to them in the hall, the wife said something, but the husband wanting to remain ingognito, and continuing walking out the door, them I think expecting something more of like what we'd have seen in the courtrooms of the 1980s if Andy Melechinsky was still around, up from Enfield, Connecticut to us hicks-in-the-sticks, him, R.I.P. against the I.R.S. who would go limp in the courtroom and have to be in a chair on wheels, them having to elevate his feet up to another one and wheel him out. 

Plus, for a summary here of case files, to read later, like any transport orders to wherever being:
1.) Robert Wolffe Cr. No. 07-190-01-PB
2.) Daniel Riley, Cr. No. 07-189-01-SM
3.) Jason Gerhard, Cr. No. 07-168-01-PB
4.) Cirino Gonzales, Cr. No. 07-191-01-SM

Yours truly, - - - - - - - - - - Joseph S. Haas, P.O. Box 3842, Concord, N.H. 03302, Tel. 603: 848-6059

pc: Gov. John H. Lynch too, per his Art. 41 duties he is neglecting, and is "responsible" for, the clock ticking of $damages for every day each of these four (4) defendants are unlawfully and illegally incarcerated because he has NOT done his job of to make sure that all "legislative mandates" by the shall word in RSA Ch. 123:1 is complied with by the Feds!  "Wise up" or puke your stomack out tonight after dinner! you bastard! Time for you to go on sick leave, because you are "sick"! Yeah, that's an idea, to see give a copy of this to the State House nurse to look into his physical well-being to see of some symptom that might be affecting his brain, and get a copy of her diagnosis.

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

great comments on the latest union leader article about the browns....

I guess that Ronald Phelps of #___ ____________ Street, Concord, N.H. Tel. _________ who commented about us being a bunch of "clowns" back on June 21st (type in "Ed Brown" in the search box, upper right of http://www.unionleader.com goes right to it) has nothing to say on the latest:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Haas+trial+moved+from+Newport&articleId=5d7ce5ea-78a0-4082-ace0-d60d8716bb17

Mrs. Terry Dudley, former Clerk of the House Judiciary Committee sitting in the courtroom on Tuesday gloating to testify that she felt threatened, not realizing that it was the WRONG court!  And we have people like her having put statutes on the books alright, but WHERE is their "oversight"!? I asked this of the chairman there a few years ago, and she said there is none!  If you don't like something, you wait until the following year and TRY to get a State Rep. to put in a House Bill.  Bullshit! Read my latest comment on the State Pension System in today's UNION LEADER.  Article 36 calls for an annual vote per retiree, NOT the "system"! and there are many in government, like our current governor who REFUSE to do their jobs while being paid every two weeks, but still get more later in retirement.  This crap has got to stop.  The governor "shall" be responsible for enforcing all legislative "mandates" by the "shall" word, according to Article 41, but does he?  Hell now he won't go there. RSA 123:1 requires the Feds to file with Bill Gardner's Office of Secretary of State.  Ed voices this to the Federal judge, and he laughs.  The governor laughs as he is an attorney too, and in the same bar, the code is to protect the brothers even over their RSA 92:2 oaths of office.  His oath is a farce.  Either he does the job, or is fired!  Wise up or be impeached! you bastard.  Yes John H. Lynch of Hopkinton is a bastard. The bastard. His "excellency" alright, an excellent bullshit artist!

J.S.H.

Modification: not 7890, but 78a0.

Also see for Danny Riley today at:
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=N.Y.+man+accused+of+aiding+Browns+held&articleID=3e6c5470-bbe4-452e-a960-0b86cec7b43e

Hi Joe,

This may sound strange, but if you have a way to buy a few copies of the movie DVD, "Hot Fuzz," 2007 (I placed a link to it a few pages back or so).  Pass it out to every Marshal,( is that one L or two ), police officer, cop, undercover, agent, spy, cia, fbi, etc. It appears a similiar situation is occuring in your small town and even though it is british humor in the likes of monty python, the story line is truly beginning to make me wonder if the same types of people are in your town...
You may be able to win their hearts and convince logic if you do this?

ps. I am not nor my family are affiliated with any part or promotion of the above said film.
 

[ChristianAnarchist]

None.  I will sit quietly by as my friends and family are enslaved...

...and...what...wait for Jesus? 

Do you believe everything you read on these forums???