Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 25

[keith in RI]

hey sorry for getting upset but i see ed as the boss and ed says get him a lawyer, so im getting him a lawyer if i have to sell my fat ass for money on the street corner to do it i will! they have been in for what a month and a half? still no lawyer visit. ed and elaine need to be able to write to each other, the lawyer can help. they need access to legal stuff, lawyer can help. please tell me if im wrong? no timeline? we only have till they sell the house! then all bets off. i called elaines son david hatch-bernier last night (i googled him it was that easy) he called me back this morning. he needs to get in touch with joe haas. (joe i will email you his email address /contact info please get in touch with him also) he is going down for his first visit with elaine this weekend i think he said. i asked him about the homestead exemption items? he said elaine told him that they are doing an inventory of the house and will send her a list of all items eligible to be picked up. she is to put the name of whoever she wants to pick up their things next to each item (multiple people can pick up items) her son told her to just put his name next to everything and they will rent a truck and storage unit for all of it. i agreed that that is the best idea and offered to help. maybe the event can be recorded when it does happen?  maybe this can be another ridley report? i like those things. anyway i told him (david) i would email him again later today to talk more but that he really needs to get in touch with joe, he said elaine asked him the same thing, which i had asked elaine to do. where are they going to move ed too? how do you know? what then he gets no mail and has no lawyer priveledges for maybe a month with the mail transfer and "oops we lost the letters sorry!" routine? i dont want to chance it im sorry. i agree im not the boss either and i want to work as a team, but there hasnt been a team yet just all of us working alone and contacting through here. we need to get all of us on the same page. and like i said sorry for gettin worked up but i feel like i let ed down by not doing more till this point. he has been there how long now?

im not leaving it at that! ed is begging to talk to a lawyer and i feel all anyone here is doing is arguing. this lawyer is in ohio ed is in ohio ...anyone have better ideas???

I'm not arguing. I'm just telling you that this Ohio lawyer won't be doing anything for Ed beyond the initial visit, assuming you manage to collect $500-1,000 for her to pay him a visit. Before she makes a second visit, he won't still be in Elkton. If she makes the drive and Ed has already been put on the bus to his next destination, you're still out the money, and she's not going to offer any refunds.

As far as Ed & Elaine are concerned, every day is hell. As far as the legal system is concerned, a day is just another day they get paid. There is no pressing timeline here, legally speaking. When Ed gets to his destination, he'll have much better access to mail, telephones, the inmate legal library, and lawyers via telephone and/or visits.

Save your money until it can do some good.

I totally agree with KBCraig. Keith I understand your frustration and especially Ed's. I'm frustrated too. After thinking about this at length we are attacking this thing backwards. The whole case hinges on the house. No house, no case. There's no way we can raise the amount of money we will need for the long run and this will be the long run. Ed has already been convicted to the tax charges, structuring etc. We may or may not get that overturned or reduced. Worst case scenario he's in for 5 years. Best case is yet to be seen. In order of importance the tax conviction is not what's going to equate to decades in prison; it's the weapons charges that haven't been leveled yet.

So while it may make us all feel better to have a lawyer drive two hours to see him, I think we had better concentrate on getting the house back from the feds so we can afford to fight this the right way.

I think we also need to start leaning on the Bureau of Prisons to find out when Ed can receive visitors. At this stage it would be most helpful to monitor his condition ourselves rather than bankrolling a visit from an out-of-venue lawyer.

I am not the boss here. If you guys think I'm all wrong please tell me. I want to see the man get a fair trial and everyone get out of prison ASAP. If you think I am making a statement contrary to that goal I would appreciate the input. We are after all supposed to be a team.

[coffeeseven]

hey sorry for getting upset but i see ed as the boss and ed says get him a lawyer,

I don't blame him for that. I wish we could visit him to see how he is.
Ed said in his letter to me to handle the injunction on the house first. I'll be happy to fax the letter to anyone who wants to see it.

1. first step needed is an injunction on the property - hold up the I.R.S.
2. We need a proper Habeas Corpus
Court said they would favor lawyer submitting
3. We then need to file in the same court in Concord motion to vacate or set aside or correct a sentence thats the next step
4. We then need to file an appeal.
A. File for mistrial or for no due process
B. "Reversable error" or C. "Writ of Error"
5. and or file for new trial

[keith in RI]

and who files the injunction on the house? the lawyer in ohio says she knows a lawyer in new hampshire that may help if needed. the way i see it they still need a lawyer to file anything with the courts. if they try to file themselves it will get laughed at as jailhouse lawyer junk. mrs. kelley even saying so. at least if its filed by a lawyer it will get seen by a judge. and i know what eds letter said to you, but his to me said "i need a smart angry honorable lawyer. i need him to help get my funds in the property out so we can begin the battle in the proper manner." and in his letter to me to be forwarded to elaine he says" im having a hard time believeing that the patriot movement will allow this to go on without some legal intervention. i cant do anything from here till i speak to a lawyer."   now obviously im not trying to play battling ed brown letters but im saying to me thats pretty clear he needs to speak to a lawyer asap! right? i just sent an email to david hatch-bernier elaines son with contact info for joe haas. joe here comes his info now.

hey sorry for getting upset but i see ed as the boss and ed says get him a lawyer,

Actually Ed said in his letter to me to handle the injunction on the house first. I'll be happy to fax the letter to you if you want to see it.

1. first step needed is an injunction on the property - hold up the I.R.S.
2. We need a proper Habeas Corpus
Court said they would favor lawyer submitting
3. We then need to file in the same court in Concord motion to vacate or set aside or correct a sentence thats the next step
4. We then need to file an appeal.
A. File for mistrial or for no due process
B. "Reversable error" or C. "Writ of Error"
5. and or file for new trial

[coffeeseven]

They should not file themselves, Ed admits that. I think it's a great idea for Ed to see a lawyer. I just don't happen to agree that hiring a lawyer in Cleveland two hours away (that wants possibly all of the LDF just to visit ONCE?) is better than hiring a lawyer in Cincinnati 37 minutes away. I'm not going to argue this or stand in the way Keith. Do what you see fit.

[keith in RI]

i didnt understand that you meant to hire a lawyer closer. i thought the discussion was going into not hiring a lawyer untill ed moves to a new prison. which is if/when he moves to a new prison. i dont mean to argue i just debate passionately sorry....

They should not file themselves, Ed admits that. I think it's a great idea for Ed to see a lawyer. I just don't happen to agree that hiring a lawyer in Cleveland two hours away (that wants possibly all of the LDF just to visit ONCE?) is better than hiring a lawyer in Cincinnati 37 minutes away. I'm not going to argue this or stand in the way Keith. Do what you see fit.

[coffeeseven]

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Nice talking to you today Keith. I'll post here when I hear back from the NH attorneys. I'll try again tomorrow to call Elkton to find out about visitation.

[JosephSHaas]

i didnt understand that you meant to hire a lawyer closer. i thought the discussion was going into not hiring a lawyer untill ed moves to a new prison. which is if/when he moves to a new prison. i dont mean to argue i just debate passionately sorry....

They should not file themselves, Ed admits that. I think it's a great idea for Ed to see a lawyer. I just don't happen to agree that hiring a lawyer in Cleveland two hours away (that wants possibly all of the LDF just to visit ONCE?) is better than hiring a lawyer in Cincinnati 37 minutes away. I'm not going to argue this or stand in the way Keith. Do what you see fit.

Update: on lawyer Mike K. in Youngstown right next to the federal courthouse.  He called me at about 4:30 p.m. to my voice mail this afternoon while I was in the Post Office*, and I got back to my car and over to KINKO's** and I called him at about 4:45 p.m. and he said to me that he would rather not take the case.  He also said that on the habeas petition that he filed for an Elkton inmate a while ago, the luck-of-the-draw was that the case was assigned to the federal court in Toledo, (many miles away) and that maybe in Ed's case it might be assigned to the federal court in Cleveland, and so the perfect spot for where Elizabeth is there to just walk to court.  The only travel being the initial 4-hr. round trip visit to see Ed.  I'd like to send her $_____ anyway for a visit to see Ed sometime next week if possible for her to set it up with the Elkton F.C.I./Ed.

-- Joe

-* The Concord P.O. gave me back one of the envelopes I had sent to Ed BEFORE their arrest, but not the certified one with the $50.00 bill! I'm keeping it sealed as PROOF of non-delivery for whatever it's worth.

** Another packet went out in tonight's mail to E+E + the Fantastic Four. Postmarked before the 6:00 p.m. truck left for hoped-for deliver to the N.H. inmates tomorrow, and E+E maybe on Friday.

P.S. Keith I just printed out your e-mail with David's contact info. Thanks.  I'm sending him an e-mail right now, and maybe to talk on the phone tomorrow, as it's getting late for him?

PPS I also talked with: (1) Bernie, and the dog Zoe is to be picked up by that other Elizabeth today or tomorrow for her out of the kennel for Thanksgiving and more time over at her house until Ed & Elaine can return home. Plus (2) Marie called to say that Bill is now over at S.H.U. (Special Housing Unit) at the N.H. State Prison. Standard operating procedure, as my friend's son went through this for about a week to 10 days there then back to the hospital.  Bernie said that his next hearing at the in-house court at the State Hospital in Concord is next Tuesday, Nov. 27th. Then onto his Dec. 4 trial, or maybe that postponed too.

[LordBaltimore]

New filing about Danny's cooperation with the feds.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
v.
DANIEL RILEY

Cr. No. 07-189-01-GZS

GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSE Re: POSITION ON COMPETENCY EXAMINATION

Title 18, United States Code, Section 4142(a) provides in part:

if there is reasonable cause to believe that the defendant may presently be
suffering from a mental disease or defect rendering him mentally incompetent to
the extent that he is unable to understand the nature and consequences of the
proceedings against him or to assist properly in his defense.
18 U.S.C. 4241(a).

The government, including the undersigned, has met with defendant Daniel Riley on
several separate occasions, each pursuant to a proffer letter, and the defendant has forwarded a
typewritten letter to the undersigned. With respect to all proffer sessions and the letter the
defendant appeared to understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings. He
demonstrated a clear understanding that he was facing serious criminal charges that could result
in a significant prison sentence if convicted. He also demonstrated an understanding of the roles
of the various individuals involved in his criminal case: the Judge, the witnesses, the
prosecutors, the investigators, and the defense attorneys.
With his attorney present, the defendant was advised of the terms under which any
meetings between himself and the government would take place, including that he must be
truthful, that if he was not truthful he could suffer serious adverse consequences, and that if he
was truthful the government could not use his statements directly against him but that it could
make derivative use of his statements and use that derivative evidence against him. He
acknowledged that he understood those terms and made what appeared to be a knowing and
intelligent decision to proceed.

He was asked numerous questions that required detailed responses concerning his
observations while at the residence of then fugitives Edward and Elaine Brown. He appeared to
understand the questions and he provided detailed information in response to those questions.

Most of the information he provided has since been corroborated by law enforcement.

Likewise, the letter written by Mr. Riley and sent to the undersigned was clear, coherent
and appeared to have been written by a person who understood the situation in which he found
himself.

Notwithstanding the pro se pleadings that have been filed by the defendant, which are
unorthodox, based upon the direct observations of the defendant by the government, the
government does not have "reasonable cause to believe that the defendant may presently be
suffering from a mental disease or defect rendering him mentally incompetent to the extent that
he is unable to understand the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him or to
assist properly in his defense." 18 U.S.C. 4241(a).

Respectfully submitted,
THOMAS P. COLANTUONO
United States Attorney
By: /s/ Arnold H. Huftalen
Arnold H. Huftalen
Assistant U.S. Attorney
N.H. Bar Assoc. No. 1215
53 Pleasant Street, 4th Floor
Concord, New Hampshire 03301
(603) 225-1552

November 15, 2007

[JosephSHaas]

New filing about Danny's cooperation with the feds.

...

He was asked numerous questions that required detailed responses concerning his
observations while at the residence of then fugitives Edward and Elaine Brown. He appeared to
understand the questions and he provided detailed information in response to those questions.

Most of the information he provided has since been corroborated by law enforcement.
....

So what's your point Richard?

The word "corroborate" is defined as: "To strengthen or support (other evidence)." as in physical evidence v.s. verbal testimony.

I can only guess what they asked him for questions.

Like what? Did you see (or touch*) this and that type of gun there?  Yes, or no. [James 5:12].

And if no, is that a proven lie?  Of course not!

These federal goons, THEN on the touching* part are trying to get fingerprints.

I remember this was what Bernie told me they asked him: are we going to find your fingerprints on anything up there?  To which I replied to Bernie for me: yeah! on a drinking glass if Elaine forgot to wash it.  or somebody said: on the flush handle of the toilet you should have told them. Sort of like during the "Concord Bomber" days of Fall 1998, when they were asking for my DNA for me to "prove my innocence" in a country that is supposed to be operating under: you're innocent UNTIL proven guilty, my attorney for free from the N.H. Chapter of the ACLU saying before the WMUR-TV Channel 9 camera on the steps of the Rudman Building: "Mr. Haas will spit on anything the government has to provide." 

I told Bernie to tell Ed BEFORE to maybe engrave RSA Ch. 627:8 on stuff, as I won that case before a jury of the right to immediately retake your property from an unlawful taking.  In this case the unlawful "and" illegal taking is the feds withOUT the 1-8-17 U.S. Const.(*) to NH RSA Ch. 123:1 jurisdiction! But the federal goons not only taking the property, but stealing the persons first. This theft of the persons ought to be dealt with first by the Habeas action(s), and then contest the property, so that they can participate in the rebuke too, IF they proceed to still TRY to forfeit the property., after the seizure.

Are they going to give the defendant something for giving (or selling) them an answer faster than them having to retrieve fingerprints later?   Danny thought so, at least for whatever they asked that his attorney said by cooperating he would be released within that week, but that his attorney, an officer of the court, lied to him! In a book I have from a pastor/attorney in MAss., when there's perjury in a case, the case stops to investigate such before it goes on.  So did, or didn't the attorney say this?  It must be in the transcript of the meeting right? Or was it said in private?  And if the latter, can Danny put his former attorney on the witness stand if he refuses to answer such an interrogatory?

The possession of weapons charges to be added to who?  So what if my fingerprints are on there? should be the question to whoever's they find.  It's just that of WHEN they were put on there, and I think that's what the Feds aim is to get somebody to say they saw so and so holding that weapon ON the Brown property, establishing some "criminal intent" to use it?  Again here I go with my often-used expression: you have got to be shitting me!  WHERE is the crime when there is the Article 10 defense of the right to revolt against the militants?  with pea-shooters against machine guns!?  I think Bob said he did patrol the place with gun in hand.  So what! To militate is to have force as evidence.  ED had the evidence of federal non-filing in the certificate I loaned to him that the Feds stole! To militate is from the Latin word militare, of "to serve as a soldier". A soldier is technically: "An enlisted man as distinguished from a commissioned officer."  Monier was commissioned by the President, and who signed an oath to execute only lawful(*) precepts.  So the soldiers UNDER him as the Deputy U.S. Marshals are in an un-lawful use of power if their boss has directed to them an unlawful order for them to execute.  So the question: Is Monier unlawful when exercising power off the federal turf?  Of course he is withOUT the full "Consent" of our State Legislature, that did offer concurrent jurisdiction to the Feds on condition that they file, but for some reason they declined.  So the arrest of Ed & Elaine plus the others are unlawful! and for every day, by the Veronia Silva case in the N.H. State Board of Claims in the mid 1980s, ought to pay the real victims that $2,500 per day.

Yours truly, - Joe

P.S. I saw Don Hill of Administrative Services in his office yesterday afternoon at about 2:30 p.m. and he said that Jeffrey Lions was incorrect in that Don's office does NOT send a bill to the Feds for that $43.xx/day per federal inmate.  I then saw Jeff in the hallway up at his building on Pleasant Street, Concord and he said that the only federal inmates the state is dealing with now are 3 to 4 immigration cases where the Federal Immigration Dept. of the United States is being billed directly by his N.H. Dept. of Corrections.  So again I ask: WHO is sending the bills, if any, to the Feds?  for Danny, Jason; Bob + Reno. And to WHAT Federal Dept.? Or is there some memorandum of secret agreement that since the Feds are dishing out $millions to us through the G&C every two weeks at the State House, that they're sharing with the counties, that this $43.xx/day is overlooked? as not worth dealing with?  In that case, let's to it to them.  Ed & Elaine plus Danny, Jason; Bob + Reno: start sending $2,500 per day bills to the County Commissioners in Strafford and Merrimack Counties respectfully.  Then THEY will be filing the Habeas Corpus petitions FOR you!  so as to minimize the $damages against the county.  The Super. in Strafford County has already been notified to "correct" this situation in his "Correctional" Institution at the executive level by Danny, of which case went to the judge for a second "opinion" as denied, but that doesn't make the charges go away. Danny ought to file a civil action against the place for what? $2,500 x 100 days (mid Sept. to mid Nov. = about 60 days + another 40 to go before they realize that they're wrong) = $250,000 is a quarter of a million dollars.

[JosephSHaas]

Stephen R. Monier, U.S. Marshal, New Hampshire

Conformed by the U.S. Senate May 7, 2002

http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/nh/general/marshal.htm

So what happened that day in the Senate?  Was there any discussion on this?

According to http://senate.gov with the search for Monier, all I could find for Stephen were two entries, and both by Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy, thank you "very" much, over at: (1) http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200210/103002.html of Wed., Oct. 30, 2002 being his Comment on how the President didn't cooperate too much in the process; and (2) http://leahy.senate.gov/issues/nominations/cover040104c.htm for this 108th Congress.

See the http://leahy.senate.gov/contact.cfm page in that I first called his Montpelier office (shut down thru Monday) them saying to call Burlington (also shut down), and so with voice message at Montpelier only, plus through this message box, and later by e-mail to senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov to this summary page:

The bottom line being that if he can confirm, can he un-confirm when there's been a violation of Monier's oath of office, or promise to obey the Constitution?  Yes, or No.  As an example, there being the in-house complaint process of INTERNAL Affairs for when an assistant U.S. Attorney goes bad, as in that bad apple needing to be thrown out of the barrel, as in my letter to Washington just mailed out last night to await any reply against Bill Morse for violating Fed Rule 16. And so to go ONE STEP BEYOND any INTERNAL Affairs withIN the U.S. Marshals Service to this OUTside review, as in a check and balance in what is supposed to be the best form of government on earth in an Art. IV, Section 4 U.S. Constitutional Republican form of government of We the People, as they/ our public servants work for us, and when I see, hear and smell a rotten apple like Monier harming my friends, I don't sit back until the next election, but complain and rebuke in a LOUD voice, Stentor style. 

So Sen. Leahy, would you please start un-confirming hearings* AGAINST this Marshal please if possible for his violation of oath to only execute lawful precepts.  The lawfulness being that of Vermont and Maine, as single-filing states according to Attorney Larry Becraft's website over at http://www.constitution.org/juris/fjur/1fj-ba.htm for this 1-8-17 U.S. Const. as in the filing with the City or Town Registry of Deeds in Vermont, to compare to both the unlawful and illegal-ness of here in N.H. and MAss. as in non-compliance with the state statutes, N.H. RSA Ch. 123:1 here as our State Legislature offered "Consent" for concurrent jurisdiction to the Feds on June 14, 1883 but that they declined for whatever reason (like wanting "exclusive" only? for to apply Title 18 criminal) to file beyond the Land Registry in the County, by there being NO such filing with our N.H. Secretary of State, in this double-filing state, a certificate I loaned to Ed Brown to use in his anti I.R.S. battles, signed by Bill Gardner, the Secretary of State who checked with Frank Mevers in State Archives who confirmed that such does NOT exist.  Maybe the Feds have an ancient receipt down on Trapello Rd. in Waltham, MAss. for the Federal Archives, but that the Burden of Proof for jurisdiction is upon them.  Hey! Let's make this a Presidential campaign issue, to see what they say what to do when their nominations turn sour.

Best wishes, - - - - - - - - -  Joe / Joseph S. Haas, P.O. Box 3842, Concord, New Hampshire 03302, Tel. 603: 848-6059.

P.S. Over at the U.S. Senate main page (reference the 200th Anniversary of the Cemetery), I checked the Daily Digest, clicked New Search for the 108th Congress,  put in Monier, and after an Enter Search only found two references to Monier being: for Elizabeth and Rick, so I guess nothing talked about Stephen Monier "before" the fact, but now hopefully "after" the fact through your oversight sub-committee to deal with this tarnishing? of the U.S. Marshal badge.

* There were "16 hearings for 21 executive branch nominations".  These sixteen hearings transcribed? and located elsewhere? And that included Monier?

[keith in RI]

i received letters from danny jason and elaine today. i will transcribe them in a little bit except dannys which specifically says do not repost! written on it. however i can say danny SPECIFICALLY said DO NOT SEND MONEY TO MY ACCOUNT! it will be put into his commissary account and it will cause him to lose his indigent status! causing him to pay for postage envelopes court fees, paper, etc.......jason saying the same thing, here is his letter to me:

keith,
 
  thanx for asking, but at this time im pretty much all set. my money situation is fine, and would suggest focusing all the efforts towards ed and elaine. im not big into crosswords or puzzles really and that type of thing.

it is probably not a good idea to say this, but this place is pretty damn nice for the most part. at middleton in mass. (was  there for approximately a month) it was bad always hungry  and stuff. here though the food is good, we dont have baloney and potato chips everyday for lunch (like in mass) and our toilet doesnt run for 15 minutes when we flush it.(in mass it did it was loud as hell too like a jet taking off)

  the only thing i could want would be basic info on whats going on in the world. such as gold/oil prices (weekly or bi-weekly) and other random stuff. like what you read, not too much only a page or two, but enough for me to stay updated and also detailed enough to disseminate to other inmates and c/o's. follow me? like stuff on that highway they are building from canada to mexico, or the UN biosphere program, or anything the average person would say WTF too!

besides that just keep the beer cold till i get out and watch your back as these feds will only continue to tighten the noose around our freedoms till it is for all intents and purposes DEAD. not to far away i might add either.

right now i am reading info from a website:
www.barefootsworld.net/sui_juris

very interesting you might find it worthwhile as well.

thanx for writing and your offer of assistance . in the future if the need arrises i will remember. and always...  LIVE FREE OR DIE
             jason

so danny wants no account money but i am still waiting on an address to send funds to his defense fund?? anyone help here ive emailed his brother with no response?? jason is all set for money for now, and today i received a money order in the mail from a supporter for 52 dollars! (one year at one dollar per week rotated basis between the inmates paid up front, so 10 dollars or so to each inmate to be mailed tommorow, thank you kristen for taking the pledge with me!)

[JosephSHaas]

Habeas Corpus:

In New Hampshire it's not "Habeas Corpus" said in about one second of time, but:

hayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeussssssssssssssssssss

corrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpusssssssssssssssssssss long drawn out drawl in #__ seconds

and with NOT upper case Capital Letters, BUT lower case h + c.     

JSH

They say: what? to their RSA Ch. 91-A oath to Article 91. And:

What oath?  And WHO is there in the legislative branch of government to check us?

They don't have "the balls".

http://m.clipmarks.com/clipmark/DBA4177A-236D-457A-8C42-A13780A3E027/

Or in other words: no Stentor voice of 50 men, or we'll charge you with dis-orderly conduct, even if it's not conduct but free speech we don't like the content of, or how it was said, and where plus when. [ We'll even put a jet-flush toilet in your cube] 

Re: Bill Miller now under sedation** to calm down, "Be Milktoast* or else".

* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=milk+toast

spineless, lacking backbone, not standing up for oneself.

** Operation: remove backbone.

[keith in RI]

[/quote]

Update: on lawyer Mike K. in Youngstown right next to the federal courthouse.  He called me at about 4:30 p.m. to my voice mail this afternoon while I was in the Post Office*, and I got back to my car and over to KINKO's** and I called him at about 4:45 p.m. and he said to me that he would rather not take the case.  He also said that on the habeas petition that he filed for an Elkton inmate a while ago, the luck-of-the-draw was that the case was assigned to the federal court in Toledo, (many miles away) and that maybe in Ed's case it might be assigned to the federal court in Cleveland, and so the perfect spot for where Elizabeth is there to just walk to court.  The only travel being the initial 4-hr. round trip visit to see Ed.  I'd like to send her $_____ anyway for a visit to see Ed sometime next week if possible for her to set it up with the Elkton F.C.I./Ed.

-- Joe

-* The Concord P.O. gave me back one of the envelopes I had sent to Ed BEFORE their arrest, but not the certified one with the $50.00 bill! I'm keeping it sealed as PROOF of non-delivery for whatever it's worth.

** Another packet went out in tonight's mail to E+E + the Fantastic Four. Postmarked before the 6:00 p.m. truck left for hoped-for deliver to the N.H. inmates tomorrow, and E+E maybe on Friday.

P.S. Keith I just printed out your e-mail with David's contact info. Thanks.  I'm sending him an e-mail right now, and maybe to talk on the phone tomorrow, as it's getting late for him?

PPS I also talked with: (1) Bernie, and the dog Zoe is to be picked up by that other Elizabeth today or tomorrow for her out of the kennel for Thanksgiving and more time over at her house until Ed & Elaine can return home. Plus (2) Marie called to say that Bill is now over at S.H.U. (Special Housing Unit) at the N.H. State Prison. Standard operating procedure, as my friend's son went through this for about a week to 10 days there then back to the hospital.  Bernie said that his next hearing at the in-house court at the State Hospital in Concord is next Tuesday, Nov. 27th. Then onto his Dec. 4 trial, or maybe that postponed too.
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joe i havent heard back from her (elizabeth kelley) yet. i sent her this email yesterday but will be calling her in a little bit to inquire again (respectfully of course)

EMAIL TO ELIZABETH KELLEY:
dear ms. Kelley,
i am just writing to inquire if you have had a chance
to come up with a figure required to go see ed brown
about his case in elkton fci? i eagerly await you're
response. also when i spoke with you on the phone i
referred to a documentary by Aaron Russo called
America: freedom to fascism. i have mailed you 2
copies to you're cedar rd. address for you to review
and keep. i hope that you find this documentary so
interesting that you will want to pass it on that is
why i sent an extra copy.
i would also like you to know that ed and Elaine are
not a crazy old couple. they are both honorable and
respectful. they realized long ago that the world we
are heading into was approaching and decided to make a
stand in order to motivate the rest of the Americans
in this country to do something. elaine is a now
former dentist and ed is a retired exterminator, they
are not the people the federal government has
demonized them to be! i would fully admit that they
were ill prepared for the battle that they chose but i
can not stand by and watch these people done wrong by
a federal government grossly out of control. i look
around and see things like the patriot act, the loss
of habeous corpus, the real id act, and i know that
things arent looking up for freedom in america in the
future. and then i think im glad that there are people
like the browns who are willing to stand up and just
say no more. i know that if you would represent ed and
elaine brown you will find that their legal arguments
are sound. it is the system that is stacked against
them.
                         hope to hear from you soon
                            keith champagne
                             105 john st
                              pawtucket ri 02861
                               401-359-7865

one of eds last letters had this list in it a "to do"
list of sorts:
1. first step needed is an injunction on the property
- hold up the I.R.S.
2. We need a proper Habeas Corpus
Court said they would favor lawyer submitting
3. We then need to file in the same court in Concord
motion to vacate or set aside or correct a sentence
thats the next step
4. We then need to file an appeal.
A. File for mistrial or for no due process
B. "Reversable error" or C. "Writ of Error"
5. and or file for new trial

[JosephSHaas]

...
joe i havent heard back from her (elizabeth kelley) yet. i sent her this email yesterday but will be calling her in a little bit to inquire again (respectfully of course) ....

Thanks Keith.  I did just call her too at the # from her http://www.elizabethkelleylaw.com/contact.asp website and left an about 2-minute message until cut off about my willing to send her $xxx.xx -amount to drive down for the initial visit to see Ed and maybe take this case, that I summarized to be this 1-8-17 US to NH 123:1 jurisdictional issue for his habeas, from Attorney Larry Becraft's excellent website of the single/double filing states (of Ohio, Conn., Vermont, Maine "and" N.H., MAss. + Florida respectfully) and that I did talk with Attorney Mike K. in Youngstown yesterday about the luck-of-the-draw maybe having it heard right up there in Cleveland by her office.

Yours truly, - Joe

Modification:  I also told her that Ed has the gold-sealed certificate of federal non-filing, as checked by the Secretary of State to N.H. Archives that does not exist, the "burden of proof" maybe of some receipt from the June 14, 1883 offer of concurrent jurisdiction that was denied because they wanted exclusive for Title 18 criminal actions, but really with none.  Any receipt down at Federal Archives, Trapello Rd., Waltham, MAss.achusetts their responsibility to prove.

[keith in RI]

elaines letter to me written november 17th 2007 a.d.

dear keith,
  have you heard from ed? i have not, even though it is more then a week since we received permission to write. do not send stamps. they have been confiscated. they are supposed to return them to you, so please keep an eye out for them. i have received both deposits you have made to my account. $20 on nov 1st and $10 recently. thank you so much, also, thank you for telling me that ** ****** sent me money. i have seen the name "******" on the account, but didnt know who it was. please thank him for me, as i do not have an address for him

i have never received any money from joe haas. i hope it has not been taken. (joe i told her you sent some because you posted you did sorry if im wrong and ill correct it in my next letter to elaine but if im right then your money isnt getting through?!?!) i just read that lauren has been released, but i have no details.

the prison is a minimum security one. it is mostly blacks and spanish with other nationalities thrown in, as this is a deportation center. they all seem to feel compelled to shout all the time. the noise level is incredible, also the language and the arguing. you have to learn to shut it out. i just splurged and spent $41 dollars at the commissary for a radio with ear plugs. also, that is the only way we can listen to the tv. we tune in to a certain station on the radio, ad that gives us the sound on the tv, as the tv itself is muted. thank goodness. yes, we go outside often, almost as much as we would like. there is a recreation area, both indoors and out with a gym and weight room. and outdoor area. the food is what you would expect. there is certainly enough of it. you have to be carefull of what you eat , as it is easy to gain weight here. lots of carbs.

you have been approved to visit. it can only be on an even number day.

i have received pictures from you, and a mountain of puzzle books. so many thanx to you. it always surprises me, who turns out to be a real friend, and who does not. we have heard nothing from bernie, which is a real surprise. but i try not to judge.
god bless danny. i know they have given him a bad time, as they have ed. please let him know that he is very special and will always be loved by us.

  any of the new paperbacks by crichton, grishom, king, koonts, cook, deaver (?), james patterson would be good. they are most of my favorite authors, but please dont overextend yourself. just writing to us is sufficient.

  i will close for now. oh, i dont remember if i sent you a copy of eds letter to joe haas. i will enclose it here. it needs to go to congress our legislators should know what is going on!

                                                       elaine

enclosed was a photocopy of eds letter to joe in the KFP page 7 date (?)

so now im on her visiting list hopefully by this weekend i will get to visit her.