Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 25

[JosephSHaas]

elaines letter to me written november 17th 2007 a.d.

dear keith,
  have you heard from ed? i have not, even though it is more then a week since we received permission to write...

i have never received any money from joe haas. i hope it has not been taken. (joe i told her you sent some because you posted you did sorry if im wrong and ill correct it in my next letter to elaine but if im right then your money isnt getting through?!?!) ... (*)

the noise level is incredible, also the language and the arguing. you have to learn to shut it out. i just splurged and spent $41 dollars at the commissary for a radio with ear plugs. also, that is the only way we can listen to the tv. we tune in to a certain station on the radio, ad that gives us the sound on the tv, as the tv itself is muted. thank goodness. yes, we go outside often, almost as much as we would like. there is a recreation area, both indoors and out with a gym and weight room. and outdoor area. the food is what you would expect. there is certainly enough of it. you have to be carefull of what you eat , as it is easy to gain weight here. lots of carbs.

you have been approved to visit. it can only be on an even number day.

i have received pictures from you, and a mountain of puzzle books. so many thanx to you...

  any of the new paperbacks by crichton, grishom, king, koonts, cook, deaver (?), james patterson would be good. they are most of my favorite authors, but please dont overextend yourself. just writing to us is sufficient.

  i will close for now. oh, i dont remember if i sent you a copy of eds letter to joe haas. i will enclose it here. it needs to go to congress our legislators should know what is going on!

                                                       elaine

enclosed was a photocopy of eds letter to joe in the KFP page 7 date (?)

so now im on her visiting list hopefully by this weekend i will get to visit her.

(*) Yes, I sent her a $25.00 Postal Money Order #000008002: 11270730407 from P.O. 033010 (Concord, N.H.) on 2007-10-30 by Clerk 17 for $25.00 (15-800/ 000) Payable to: The Federal Bureau of Prisons, Elaine Alice clan Brown #03924-049, P.O. Box 474701, Des Moines, IA 50947-0001; also the 11270730396 one of same amount to Ed on that exact day re: his #03923-049. -- Joe P.S. I think I even photocopied the green + tan "CUSTOMER'S RECEIPT" for both her and Ed is how she knew that I mailed it, and to expect a credit to her account. 

"SEE BACK OF THIS RECEIPT FOR IMPORTANT CLAIM INFORMATION NOT NEGOTIABLE.  / This receipt is your guarantee for a refund of your money order if it is lost or stolen, provided you fill in the Pay To and From information on the money order in the space provided.  No claim for improper payment permitted 2 years after payment.  If your money order is lost or stolen, present this receipt and file a claim for a refund at your Post Office. / An inquiry Form 6401 may be filed at any time for a fee*.  A replacement will not be issued until 60 days after the money order purchase date, provided the money order has not been paid."  * a fee of: $_____? Inquiry to take #___ days, so by the 60th day of either it delivered, or them to pay this back to me.  I have the cash register receipt of it sent to IA too, with the zip code on the receipt around here somewhere I think.

[keith in RI]

maybe because you made it payable to the fbop? i just make mine to elaine alice brown # 03924-049 it goes through. i just figured you would want to know she didnt get it. also if anyone remembers a guy that stayed on the browns property for 6 weeks this summer in an rv goes by the name old buck, he posted a message on his myspace page saying this:
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As most of you know I spent 6 weeks over the summer at Ed and Elaine Brown home. During this time I was unarmed and on july 28th around midnight there was automatic weapons fired around the property and my Rv was shaken and rocked several time during the night. Before going to ed and elaines ,also during and after my stay I remained in regular contact with my Attorney. (fact -my Attorney is both a long term personel friend and a top knotch criminal tax Attorney) When I received word the four supporters Danny Bob Jason and Reno were arrested I was on my way back to Az . I immediately contacted my attorney incase there was a warrent out for me. My attorney in turn contacted both the US Attorney in NH and the US Marshal's . and was told there was no indictment or warrent for me but that they were still investigating and I may be indicted, they also asked that I be brought in to talk with them. Of course my Attorney told them NO that was not happening He also assured them that if I was indicted he would bring me in.

Update
A few days ago the US Marshal's and US Attorney's office contacted my Attorney and again requested he bring me in for questioning , they said I have not been indicted and that I was not being offered immunity that they just wanted to talk with me. When my Attorney refused there request they let it be known they will indict me if they can.

I told my Attorney let them indict and even if immunity is then offered I would refuse it . I will not tesify for or against anyone. as far as I'm concerned Ed and Elaine committed no Tax Crime ,made only defensive statements and the four supporters had/have a right and a duty as Americans to stop an unlawful arrest .
The Bottom line is the Marshal's and the US Attorney are trying to prop up there case against the supporters and I will not be a part of that Railroad.

By the way My Attorney is a close friend of Ron Paul and Dr. Paul wrote the forword to his book "How to survive the IRS" in 2001 My Attorney also was a keynote speaker and introduced Ron Paul in 1997 at his announcement that he was seeking election back to congress.

Vote Ron Paul and end the IRS
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so apparently the fishing expedition isnt over yet for the feds.....

dannys letter to me also asked that people mail copies of america freedom to fascism to all the jails to be reviewed by the library co's to be put on the approved list. he wants multiple copies (i sent 2 last week he didnt know about) knowing they will have to be reviewed and probably passed around. danny and jason both are trying to build sympathy for themselves and the cause, jason through information and danny wants these. also i sent him pics, they didnt get through. the first batch did smaller ones in a regular envelope folded, but the 8x10's didnt also they told him it was because of "bad slogans" on some photos. i think i wrote on one "we will never stop fighting for you!" and on the beer picture i wrote this beer is for you, and so is your first when you get out!" so now i have to resend them sans slogans. plus they told him they were too big! but they got through to the other inmates??

elaines letter to me written november 17th 2007 a.d.

dear keith,
  have you heard from ed? i have not, even though it is more then a week since we received permission to write...

i have never received any money from joe haas. i hope it has not been taken. (joe i told her you sent some because you posted you did sorry if im wrong and ill correct it in my next letter to elaine but if im right then your money isnt getting through?!?!) ... (*)

the noise level is incredible, also the language and the arguing. you have to learn to shut it out. i just splurged and spent $41 dollars at the commissary for a radio with ear plugs. also, that is the only way we can listen to the tv. we tune in to a certain station on the radio, ad that gives us the sound on the tv, as the tv itself is muted. thank goodness. yes, we go outside often, almost as much as we would like. there is a recreation area, both indoors and out with a gym and weight room. and outdoor area. the food is what you would expect. there is certainly enough of it. you have to be carefull of what you eat , as it is easy to gain weight here. lots of carbs.

you have been approved to visit. it can only be on an even number day.

i have received pictures from you, and a mountain of puzzle books. so many thanx to you...

  any of the new paperbacks by crichton, grishom, king, koonts, cook, deaver (?), james patterson would be good. they are most of my favorite authors, but please dont overextend yourself. just writing to us is sufficient.

  i will close for now. oh, i dont remember if i sent you a copy of eds letter to joe haas. i will enclose it here. it needs to go to congress our legislators should know what is going on!

                                                       elaine

enclosed was a photocopy of eds letter to joe in the KFP page 7 date (?)

so now im on her visiting list hopefully by this weekend i will get to visit her.

(*) Yes, I sent her a $25.00 Postal Money Order #000008002: 11270730407 from P.O. 033010 (Concord, N.H.) on 2007-10-30 by Clerk 17 for $25.00 (15-800/ 000) Payable to: The Federal Bureau of Prisons, Elaine Alice clan Brown #03924-049, P.O. Box 474701, Des Moines, IA 50947-0001; also the 11270730396 one of same amount to Ed on that exact day re: his #03923-049. -- Joe P.S. I think I even photocopied the green + tan "CUSTOMER'S RECEIPT" for both her and Ed is how she knew that I mailed it, and to expect a credit to her account. 

"SEE BACK OF THIS RECEIPT FOR IMPORTANT CLAIM INFORMATION NOT NEGOTIABLE.  / This receipt is your guarantee for a refund of your money order if it is lost or stolen, provided you fill in the Pay To and From information on the money order in the space provided.  No claim for improper payment permitted 2 years after payment.  If your money order is lost or stolen, present this receipt and file a claim for a refund at your Post Office. / An inquiry Form 6401 may be filed at any time for a fee*.  A replacement will not be issued until 60 days after the money order purchase date, provided the money order has not been paid."  * a fee of: $_____? Inquiry to take #___ days, so by the 60th day of either it delivered, or them to pay this back to me.  I have the cash register receipt of it sent to IA too, with the zip code on the receipt around here somewhere I think.

[coffeeseven]

I just called Elkton and had them look up Ed by inmate # to make sure they would give me the correct info. Ed can receive visitors at the times below. You just have to get added to his visitor list.

Monday, Thursday and Friday 5:00 pm - 9:00 pm
Saturday and Sunday 8:00 am - 3:00 pm
All federal holidays 8:00 am - 3:00 pm

[JosephSHaas]

I just called Elkton and had them look up Ed by inmate # to make sure they would give me the correct info. Ed can receive visitors at the times below. You just have to get added to his visitor list.

Monday, Thursday and Friday 5:00 pm - 9:00 pm
Saturday and Sunday 8:00 am - 3:00 pm
All federal holidays 8:00 am - 3:00 pm

Plus beware that he gets only four (4) points at the beginning of the month for these one or two hour visits, minus one point for each weekend/day visit, but unlimited night and holiday visits. I don't think that the points carry over if not used. -- Joe

[JosephSHaas]

... also if anyone remembers a guy that stayed on the browns property for 6 weeks this summer in an rv goes by the name old buck, he posted a message on his myspace page saying this:
============================================================================
As most of you know I spent 6 weeks over the summer at Ed and Elaine Brown home. During this time I was unarmed and on july 28th around midnight there was automatic weapons fired around the property and my Rv was shaken and rocked several time during the night. Before going to ed and elaines ,also during and after my stay I remained in regular contact with my Attorney. (fact -my Attorney is both a long term personel friend and a top knotch criminal tax Attorney) When I received word the four supporters Danny Bob Jason and Reno were arrested I was on my way back to Az . I immediately contacted my attorney incase there was a warrent out for me. My attorney in turn contacted both the US Attorney in NH and the US Marshal's . and was told there was no indictment or warrent for me but that they were still investigating and I may be indicted, they also asked that I be brought in to talk with them. Of course my Attorney told them NO that was not happening He also assured them that if I was indicted he would bring me in.

Update
A few days ago the US Marshal's and US Attorney's office contacted my Attorney and again requested he bring me in for questioning , they said I have not been indicted and that I was not being offered immunity that they just wanted to talk with me. When my Attorney refused there request they let it be known they will indict me if they can.

I told my Attorney let them indict and even if immunity is then offered I would refuse it . I will not tesify for or against anyone. as far as I'm concerned Ed and Elaine committed no Tax Crime ,made only defensive statements and the four supporters had/have a right and a duty as Americans to stop an unlawful arrest .
The Bottom line is the Marshal's and the US Attorney are trying to prop up there case against the supporters and I will not be a part of that Railroad.

By the way My Attorney is a close friend of Ron Paul and Dr. Paul wrote the forword to his book "How to survive the IRS" in 2001 My Attorney also was a keynote speaker and introduced Ron Paul in 1997 at his announcement that he was seeking election back to congress.

Vote Ron Paul and end the IRS
==============================================================================
so apparently the fishing expedition isnt over yet for the feds.....

....

My congratulations to "old buck" for bucking the system.  Telling the "talking arm" of the court to, in effect, go pound sand. Of course they want to talk.  They're hoping that maybe somebody will blab something that they can latch onto and take it for a roller coaster ride. They're going to, by the "will" word, indict; bullshit! They're a bunch of liars. This is what they want, and I bet maybe some of the jurors are wise to their antics, by like reading here, knowing that the Feds lack the authority with no RSA 123:1 papers on file from 1-8-17 U.S. Const., but take the $xx.xx per day jury fee pay for that day to return no true bills, slamming it back in the face of the U.S. Attorney.  Sooner or later there will be a REAL criminal that needs dealing with to put away, but until the day that they file making themselves lawful and legal, they are really doing all of us a dis-service!  -- Joe

[JosephSHaas]

elaines letter to me written november 17th 2007 a.d.

dear keith, ...
 
  any of the new* paperbacks by crichton, grishom, king, koonts, cook, deaver (?), james patterson would be good. they are most of my favorite authors, but please dont overextend yourself. just writing to us is sufficient...
                                                      elaine
....

I was at Border's in Concord tonight before the 10 p.m. closing time, and asked the Reference man about all of these authors, Michael Crichton (who I remember from "Jurassic Park" - I wrote to him and he send me an autographed picture); Robin Cook (lives in Waterville Valley, author of "Coma"); Deaver (sorry I forgot his first name). --  Here's what I found in hardcover: Playing for Pizza (out in July, by John Grisham), and Double Cross (out 2 weeks ago) by James Patterson. http://www.jamespatterson.com So these were 50% off the $50.00 total, so only $25.00 ($12.50 each) + 4.50 postage + packing and only 50-cents per book thereafter, so they'll be mailed by them to Elaine on Friday.

The next books due from the others are: (1) 22 Jan. 08 "Duma Key" by Stephen King, and; (2) 27 Nov. 07 "Darkest Evening of the Year" by Dean Koonts.  So next Tuesday, maybe somebody else would like to visit their Border's or Barnes & Nobel Bookstore, etc. and buy this one too for Elaine. _____

Yours truly, -- Joe

P.S. If Elaine could send us a list of books she's already read by these authors, then maybe a cheaper paperback would be O.K. I just didn't want to send her a duplicate copy of something she's already read.  I took a chance that maybe she was too busy to read last July for the Grisham book, anyway to give it to another inmate then, and most definitely she hasn't seen the one published just two weeks ago. These are hardcovers as only allowed from the book-sellers.  We can mail in paperbacks ourselves is what you wrote about before, right?  So to maybe see these at the local thrift store for only 25-cents each. Or holiday bazaar / fair for charity at your local church for Christmas presents.

* new, meaning she's read all of the others for each author?

[keith in RI]

i cant do it next tuesday but next thursday i will if no one else can. and yes hardcovers must come from the distributor/publisher or as told by the prison it must be mailed from a "private address" whatever that means but softcovers may come from anyone but limited to 5 per package clearly marked books on the outside. i have already sent elaine and ed crosswords and soduku books so they are getting through, well elaines are anyway.

elaines letter to me written november 17th 2007 a.d.

dear keith, ...
 
  any of the new* paperbacks by crichton, grishom, king, koonts, cook, deaver (?), james patterson would be good. they are most of my favorite authors, but please dont overextend yourself. just writing to us is sufficient...
                                                      elaine
....

I was at Border's in Concord tonight before the 10 p.m. closing time, and asked the Reference man about all of these authors, Michael Crichton (who I remember from "Jurassic Park" - I wrote to him and he send me an autographed picture); Robin Cook (lives in Waterville Valley, author of "Coma"); Deaver (sorry I forgot his first name). --  Here's what I found in hardcover: Playing for Pizza (out in July, by John Grisham), and Double Cross (out 2 weeks ago) by James Patterson. http://www.jamespatterson.com So these were 50% off the $50.00 total, so only $25.00 ($12.50 each) + 4.50 postage + packing and only 50-cents per book thereafter, so they'll be mailed by them to Elaine on Friday.

The next books due from the others are: (1) 22 Jan. 08 "Duma Key" by Stephen King, and; (2) 27 Nov. 07 "Darkest Evening of the Year" by Dean Koonts.  So next Tuesday, maybe somebody else would like to visit their Border's or Barnes & Nobel Bookstore, etc. and buy this one too for Elaine. _____

Yours truly, -- Joe

P.S. If Elaine could send us a list of books she's already read by these authors, then maybe a cheaper paperback would be O.K. I just didn't want to send her a duplicate copy of something she's already read.  I took a chance that maybe she was too busy to read last July for the Grisham book, anyway to give it to another inmate then, and most definitely she hasn't seen the one published just two weeks ago. These are hardcovers as only allowed from the book-sellers.  We can mail in paperbacks ourselves is what you wrote about before, right?  So to maybe see these at the local thrift store for only 25-cents each. Or holiday bazaar / fair for charity at your local church for Christmas presents.

* new, meaning she's read all of the others for each author?

[keith in RI]

... also if anyone remembers a guy that stayed on the browns property for 6 weeks this summer in an rv goes by the name old buck, he posted a message on his myspace page saying this:
============================================================================

Update
A few days ago the US Marshal's and US Attorney's office contacted my Attorney and again requested he bring me in for questioning , they said I have not been indicted and that I was not being offered immunity that they just wanted to talk with me. When my Attorney refused there request they let it be known they will indict me if they can.

I told my Attorney let them indict and even if immunity is then offered I would refuse it . I will not tesify for or against anyone. as far as I'm concerned Ed and Elaine committed no Tax Crime ,made only defensive statements and the four supporters had/have a right and a duty as Americans to stop an unlawful arrest .
The Bottom line is the Marshal's and the US Attorney are trying to prop up there case against the supporters and I will not be a part of that Railroad.

By the way My Attorney is a close friend of Ron Paul and Dr. Paul wrote the forword to his book "How to survive the IRS" in 2001 My Attorney also was a keynote speaker and introduced Ron Paul in 1997 at his announcement that he was seeking election back to congress.

Vote Ron Paul and end the IRS
==============================================================================
so apparently the fishing expedition isnt over yet for the feds.....

....

My congratulations to "old buck" for bucking the system.  Telling the "talking arm" of the court to, in effect, go pound sand. Of course they want to talk.  They're hoping that maybe somebody will blab something that they can latch onto and take it for a roller coaster ride. They're going to, by the "will" word, indict; bullshit! They're a bunch of liars. This is what they want, and I bet maybe some of the jurors are wise to their antics, by like reading here, knowing that the Feds lack the authority with no RSA 123:1 papers on file from 1-8-17 U.S. Const., but take the $xx.xx per day jury fee pay for that day to return no true bills, slamming it back in the face of the U.S. Attorney.  Sooner or later there will be a REAL criminal that needs dealing with to put away, but until the day that they file making themselves lawful and legal, they are really doing all of us a dis-service!  -- Joe

yes old buck told me he is not "in hiding" from anyone he is just laying low to see what happens. his attorney has told the us attorney that if and when there is an indictment to call him and they will make arrangements to turn himself in. he wants to donate money to ed and elaine but he is afraid to reveal his location to them by doing it.

[JosephSHaas]

...

yes old buck told me he is not "in hiding" from anyone he is just laying low to see what happens. his attorney has told the us attorney that if and when there is an indictment to call him and they will make arrangements to turn himself in. he wants to donate money to ed and elaine but he is afraid to reveal his location to them by doing it.

I doubt very much that he would be indicted, for what? staying on the property for that six (6) weeks. They just want to talk "with" him, not "to" him, to get him in a chatty mood to maybe say something that he saw or heard from so and so.  So in other words for him to be their eyes and ears, but to a "talking arm" of the court!? They have no eyes or ears.  Like somebody, maybe Dees can do a cartoon on this Marshal-Attorney mentality of KNOWING they need the paperwork on file with the state by their own Manual #664, but instead go looking elsewhere to others to fill out more paperwork to submit to the cases already there and to try to create new cases? The Grand Jurors ought to be the shield against such bull-shit.  When does this Grand Jury that indicted the Four Freedom Keepers go out of business?  They last for 12 months with only one extension of 6 months to a max of 18 months I think it is.  What we ought to find out is how many no true bills were returned on flimsy paperwork from the gov't. I'd like to find out when the next Grand Jury meets to hand out some information packet to each one of them with a copy of U.S. Attorney Manual #664, Bill Gardner's Certification of the non-filing to RSA Ch. 123:1 with the statute attached, plus a free copy of the N.H. Constitution booklet with the U.S. Constitution therein the front with Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 page corner folded down at the top corner with a paper clip and highlighted. Then to watch for the no true bills of nobody indicted. The Press getting the latest indictments.  So Press: how many on average are there there every month when they meet every __ day of the month? And can we do such an experiment, like to have "old buck" daring them to indict him after they have all the evidence of their non-being to go after a being!? Again I say: you have got to be shitting me! This logic of there's just boggles the mind. http://www.sandlotscience.com/Games/Mind_Boggled.htm Maybe Dadda Orwell might like to coordinate such a demonstration? with the Gadsden flag of course of: Don't Tread on Me! - Joe

Modification:  The moral of the story is that the Feds do not have the freedom of choice to pick a number from out of the Title 18 basket until AFTER they deal with the New Hampshire numbers 123:1. They take an oath to the U.S. Constitution.  1-8-17 directs, yes DIRECTS them to see what the State Legislature says for the "consent" to be before they can operate within the state they want to go to.  Attorney Larry Becraft's website outlines all the states and what each requires.  So far I've found only single and double filing states, with the paperwork FROM the Feds to be filed TO the state, NOT to the individual.  They are OUT-OF-ORDER if they approach the individual BEFORE the state! Once filed they still do not get on a smooth sail in at least one state I've researched: that being Missouri where the governor may refuse to certify the federal filing for the feds to prove jurisdiction in which to operate, as the ultimate rights of the state OVER the Feds that all of us other states ought to wise up to, and especially New Hampshire to offset the corruption that has occurred to the victims of the past and present* to prevent future harm.  It's time to dust of the tarnished badge. Like the Pilgrims who landed at Plimouth Rock, they made friends of the Indians upon whose soil we landed, or as some say we conquered. Either way the Feds on state soil by permission only: yes or no? Yes, of course, then like the Hall Monitor in High School, WHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS? Feds: where are your RSA 123:1 papers?  Before you can sit down to eat today, if you're reading this, be glad that you're in N.H./ the granite state, not sitting on a stone today, unless you want to be, and that come Monday morning, you go from state to federal soil, and then try to conduct your business as tentacles from your octopus eye, but like the zookeepers we are, I ask you where are your papers for such a field trip into state waters? Happy Thanksgiving to you today, and may it feed your brain to understand this and do what's right Monday morning, by nol-prosing the indictments by all four Freedom Keepers to start with. Otherwise you will be told by the Supremes of what to do that you do not do voluntarily.

[JosephSHaas]

More info over at my "Wise up or Die" page"

http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=9345.90

When I win this case on the "Motion to Reconsider", I think it will give hope to E+E+4 that although they
spent a Thanksgiving in prison/jails respectfully, that either the State +/or Federal Habeas Corpus Petition(s) will be granted, as I did get out of jail on one I wrote up myself once using the Ch. 37, page 73 form from McNamara's book. [Judge Rbt.E.K.Morrill in Grafton County over-ruled Judge Edwin W. Kelley in Plymouth].

I think Ed ought to re-file his Habeas and find out which court they'll assign him too, and then I, for one, am ready, willing and able to travel to that city IN SEARCH OF...an attorney in person, right around the courthouse block if need be.  The Need being IF Elizabeth doesn't see Ed this next week, to get the case started, so that a pre-liminary hearing can occur in early December and maybe the final hearing on the merits of this violation of procedural due process to occur in mid December for his release BEFORE Christmas.

-- Joe

[keith in RI]

joe, i havent heard back from ms. kelley yet. have you? i sent her another email the other day and just called her now and left a message. (1:20pm saturday) would be nice to get a phone call either way even if the answer is no.

[JosephSHaas]

joe, i havent heard back from ms. kelley yet. have you? i sent her another email the other day and just called her now and left a message. (1:20pm saturday) would be nice to get a phone call either way even if the answer is no.

No, And I don't expect one until Monday after the 4-day weekend here. David never wrote nor called back either, re: his trip to see Elaine, maybe to get both reports on Monday from each of them. -- Joe

P.S. I'll give you a progress report on Jason + Danny tomorrow night after my visit.

[J’raxis 270145]

There's some more discussion about Bill Miller going on over here:—
http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12205.0

[keith in RI]

joe i just sent you an email about elaines son.

[JosephSHaas]

There's some more discussion about Bill Miller going on over here:—
http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12205.0

Missing or off limits!?