Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 25

[JosephSHaas]

joe i just sent you an email about elaines son.

Thanks Keith.  So do you want to publish it here?, plus my reply if you'd like.

WHO is that estates expert?

Reference: his (and his sister's) trip to see her the other day, doing O.K. (except for her minor hand problem), with help to other inmates without family or friends. She doesn't want to hear about Ed's problems since she can't do anything about his situation, and asked about the Habeas, but which one? The one Ed filed was returned for more paperwork just sitting in Ed's cell for Elizabeth to visit this week?  Plus Danny's sitting with the Supremes.  And so my reply being for her to maybe wait until either Danny wins his case, or Ron Paul wins the Primary here in early January for his V.P. candidate, Andrew Napolitano to maybe make another name for himself nationwide.  Or maybe Andrew to do this to highlight what Ron Paul stands for, with some co-signing of the Habeas by Ron for to alert his Congressional Court in Conn.ecticut that he finds them in compliance with both the law and the statute, and to check-and-balance against the in non-compliance federal court in New Hampshire, with Ron Paul saying something like when he gets to be President, he will hold Executive Hearings on the charges of unlawfully and illegally incarcerated inmates from I.R.S. abuse cases from #___ double-filing states in non-compliance to 1-7-18 U.S. Const., starting with N.H. (123:1), and get back to the very definition of the phrase to lay and collect in the 16th Amend. and that what makes a person "liable" to SHOW RON THE LAW, as in a Show-Cause request from the Executive to the Judiciary, and withOUT any answer, to pardon all the victims of I.R.S. abuse through crooked U.S. Attorneys in violation of their own Manual #664!

- - Joe

P.S. Elaine with e-mail to her daughter as the "only" outside contact allowed?, so to go by channels of Elaine to her to him/David to Keith, to here for help from us as low man on the totem pole.

[Kat Kanning]

There's some more discussion about Bill Miller going on over here:—
http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12205.0

Missing or off limits!?

Merged with another thread.  they're here:
http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=10631.0

[keith in RI]

my correspondence with david hatch bernier elaine browns son after his trip to see elaine yesterday.

his first email to me:
Good Morning:

I just wanted to give you an update on my mother.  My sister and I 
went to visit her in Danbury yesterday.  She is doing relatively well 
and appreciates all we (you) are doing to help her.  The thing that 
upsets her the most is when Ed tells her about how badly things are 
for him.  I wish he wouldn't do that.  There is nothing she can do to 
help, and it only serves to upset her.

Her hand is being treated- somewhat- but she is otherwise in good 
health.  She is obviously not being mistreated and has plenty of food 
and clean clothing.  Even in prison, she is helping others.  There 
are a couple of girls there with no friends or family to put money 
into their commissary accounts, so my mother has them do her laundry 
and she buys them what they need (toothpaste, soap, etc) at the 
commissary.  She makes things like toothbrushes and razors last much 
longer so she can afford to do that.

Does anyone know what is happening with the Habeus Corpus?  She asked 
me about that a couple of times, but I had no answer.  I have also 
been in contact with Catherine Dion who manages the property trusts 
and she seems to think the house could possibly be safe from 
confiscation.  This is the IRS however, so who knows?  If we are able 
to save it, then Catherine is going to ask my mother to sign a power 
of attorney so we could keep it going or sell it on her behalf.  If 
we can't sell it right away but are able to save it, my sister and I 
could cover the $11,000 annual property tax bill by cashing in 401K 
accounts.  At least my mother could potentially have somewhat of a 
retirement fund when she gets out.  Let's keep our fingers crossed.

She may also be able to communicate via email shortly, and has 
already been in touch with my sister electronically.  She is in the 
process of adding my name to her email list, so as soon as that is 
established, it will be a breeze communicating with her.  Even if you 
are not able to establish contact with her electronically, I could 
always forward messages on your behalf.

Thanks again for everything, and let me know if there is anything 
else I can do.  I hope you had an enjoyable Thanksgiving.

-David

my response:
dave thanx for getting back to me. first can i repost
this email on the net? i repost everything so people
can get information just them hearing that elaine is
getting by using money in her account may spur people
to donate more money you know?? but i wont if you dont
want me too...i agree on the information about ed
however if they have permission to write to each other
there is nothing we can do about that, i, however will
not be sending anymore bad info along as i have been
thinking that very thing and dont want to be a part of
making any depression worsen. like you said there is
nothing she can do about it anyway.
you say her hand is being treated. for what? was
something wrong with it? was it hurt during the
arrest?  nothing was ever said about it. kinda screwy
that a dentist has limited access to
toothbrushes....thats prison though.
as far as the legal issues, ie:habeous, the person to
ask that would be joe haas he has been working with ed
to try to get this filed. we have been in contact with
several lawyers some refused the case some we are
still waiting to hear from. the last elizabeth kelley
said she would visit ed and talk about representing
him but wanted money up front for having to travel to
elkton fci from cleveland. she said she would come up
with a figure and call back but i havent heard from
her since and ive sent an email and another phone
call. as has joe haas. hopefully she is just busy with
the holiday. joe is looking for as much info on the
house as possible as is ed. i think the plan is this
is going to be a long long fight and they will
probably need the money from the house to fight it! if
you goto www.nhfree.com and click on forum in the
upper left corner then click general discussion then
look for the listing main thread for ed and elaine vs
the evil irs. that is the bulletin board that we all
communicate through. it is where all updates are
posted so any of us working on the case trying to help
can be on the same page. start at the last page first
(currently 445 i think) it is the newest posts. i know
one of eds last messages out said he needed to file an
injunction on the house to protect it from seizure
BECAUSE they needed the equity in it to fight. tonight
im going to ask joe haas to send me every bit of info
that he has on what he has been doing on the habeous
and everything and any questions he has to get
answered by her and im going to go see your mom this
week sometime. i have a crappy car so i need to borrow
one to get the three hours there it is why i cant go
more often but i need to get up to date info from her
i think to be of any help. and the only way to do that
is to go see her. plus im sure joe has questions too.
keep in mind it will probably be more than 11,000 per
year for the house. i think they never paid for local
taxes at the end and there could be lawsuits etc... im
not sure. plus there is regular maintenance on the
house and considering it was never finished being
built that could get expensive! (i think it needs
siding and windows in the very large cupoula (ha ha)
right? and who knows what else! if it is possible to
save it and i know this is far off but, maybe you
could rent it? weekly for vacations or yearly to
someone to help with the bills it is a big house in a
nice area. just thinking?! i can just see the bills
getting rediculous fast! but you would know better
than i would. keep me updated on that though. maybe if
you decided to go that route some of the NH
freestaters could help finding tenants or something.
i already sent your mom my email address but i dont
know if i have to do anything else to get on her email
list? if so let me know ill do it that would be a much
better way to communicate.
                    look forward to hearing from you
                                    keith

his response back:
Hi Keith:

First of all, her hand was broken prior to the arrest, so it's not 
the Feds' fault.  Secondly, if it's possible to keep the house out of 
the Feds' hands, there's little chance anyone would rent it.  It's 
not a desirable area and far from any tourist areas like skiing or 
sailing.  The neighborhood itself is not very high-end either, so 
it's not the kind of place that could fetch enough rent to cover the 
taxes and other overhead expenses.  I think selling it would be the 
best bet, and I doubt it would be worth completing the project.   
Whoever ends up buying it would have so much to do to make it more 
livable.  If I were to buy that house, it would probably be just for 
the land, and I'd have the thing demolished and start again.  Ed 
didn't really follow the blueprints I drew up three years ago and 
went overboard trying to build some fantasy play castle which would 
not appeal to many people.

Anyway, feel free to post whatever you want to from my 
correspondences.  I know I need to speak with Joe Haas, and he left 
me a message last week.  I will try him tomorrow.  We'll see what 
happens, but I'm not overly optimistic.  Everyone who claims to want 
to help ends up being a dead end.

I'll let you know what comes of my conversation with him if anything.

Thanks for keeping in touch,
Dave

[coffeeseven]

Thanks for posting that Keith. I'm very, very disappointed in these skank lawyers. I can't wait to call Tommy Cryer during his next radio interview on the Power hour, Alex Jones, whatever.

[JosephSHaas]

Update: Jason and Danny.

This weekend was a busy one at the Strafford County Jail in Dover.  The list had a lot of yellow highlights on the names bunched together, there being #___ windows per cube, and so my guess is that of to let other inmates have visits from their families and friends too, so that the regulars had to be put on the back burner per some quota maybe. So to try next time. -- Joe

P.S. The official reason was that for some unknown reason their names were not put on the list by the deadline of yesterday at __:__ o'clock a.m./p.m. (policy changed in mid-stream, them notified too late?)

[JosephSHaas]

Classes on: UFO Sightings being moved from Devens, MAss. F.C.I. to Elkton, Ohio?

http://prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188959    [3-15-06]. JSH

[keith in RI]

i received letters from reno bob and elaine today. they are coming in faster than i can send them out! i also received BOTH envelopes containing 2 dvd's each of america freedom to fascism addressed to reno and bob. both envelopes stamped refused returned to sender. with hand written notes saying cant have items. both envelopes were opened and renos was resealed with staples and bobs resealed with clear tape. funny thing is, inside renos envelope one of the dvd's was put back into its sleeve backwards? so you couldnt see the writting on the top. when i sent them they were all facing out through the clear plastic in the sleeve. i wonder if someone watched it?! hope so it only takes on person!

letter from bob in response to my 5 dollar deposit o his commissary account:dated 11/22/07

hi keith,
WOW! i really appreciate the cash! that is awesome. i will get a bag of instant coffee, sugar, and powdered creamer! we order from the canteen once a week.THANKS!!! i was begining to wonder if anybody out there was paying attention anymore. i havent heard from anybody except a few close friends. tues, the four of us were reindicted on conspiracy charges. i was not included with the other 3 the first time around. i was the one that just offered moral support to ed and elaine. i never supplied weapons or other stuff. the other 3 are facing some serious time, mine may only be 24 months. what a bunch of crap! no matter what, the only thing we did was to keep (**the rest written in pencil**) the feds from killing the browns.one element of my charge is counterintelligence on a federal agent. isnt that a bogus charge! (i guess i will order another pen mine just went dry!) thanks for your support! keep spreading the word and lets make sure we get ron paul elected!
                                                      BOB

elaines letter to me dated 11/21/07:

dear keith,
i didnt realize you were in contact with joe haas. you two are quite a team! thank you for the address' (**i sent her address of senators and reps from nh at joe's request**) i have been sending copies of eds letter to joe that kat published in the keene free press. to everyone i can think of with instructions to send copies to their senators and reps in d.c. their treatment of ed is criminal and can not be allowed to continue. they probably treat all political prisoners this way. it seems they are trying to kill him without leaving any marks, to make it look like he died of natural causes. i am so worried about him.
i got the address for the bureau of prisons from joe and will send to them also.
i received my first letter from ed 2 days ago. he wrote it on november 3 at time of writing he was still in isolation, and still in a very cold room. he said he heard he was going to be moved to a more secure facility in 2 weeks. so i dont know if hes still in ohio or not. he said the marshall told BOP that he is militia and could influence others if he is allowed in general population, or something like that. thank you for the puzzle books and photos. i think i thanked you for the books already. let me know if you did not get that letter. i dont know about any webpages.we have no internet access except for email.
****** **** has been writing to us both, and has even sent some money to my account. we have never met her, and she is turning out to be a real friend!
i received the **** (i cant read elaines writing here and i dont remember what i sent her that she is refering to) you sent. i gave one to one of the women here who is being released in 2 weeks. i have been working with her and another on resolving this through commerce laws that the government works under-ucc-1, bonds,etc, if it works we  are all out of here. we do a lot of praying. god bless you and others like you keith you are our lifeline!
it does not require an attorney to file a habeous corpus. anyone can do that, fred smart and thurston bell are supposedly working on one, but it shouldnt take this long, its not that complicated. if you could call rbn 1-800-313-9443 (?) thats republic broadcasting network-its on the internet. in fact, you can speak on the show to give updates and keep us in the news. fred has his show mon-fri @10 am. ask him about the habeous.
  will write soon. i will put you on my email list. just rememebr that all email is read by them. also real mail is precious. there is nothing like the written word. you are approved to visit. i already told you that.
                                                    ELAINE

renos letter coming. ......

[keith in RI]

renos letter to me dated 11/22/07:

keith,
  hey! happy thanksgiving! i just received an envelope post maked the 19th of nov 07.
  there was no letter, or even a note in it. but there was a receipt. money order of 5 dollars was sent to my account from keith *********. first, please, allow me to say "thank you!" i am not sure what pressed you to send me money for canteen but thank you so much!
  it was a surprise that i was not expecting! trust me, for it being a holiday, i was not very pleased how the day was going at all.
  then a gift! out of the blue! i swear , xmas on thanksgiving for me in jail! again "THANK YOU!" well today was crappy. it started last night. i requested that E (max) block eat together for thanksgiving diner. i was shot down before i even handed in the request sheet. FUCKERS! then today, well long story short, top tier (my tier) was supposed to eat out of our cells/together on the "floor"  at least once a day we are supposed to be able to eat our meals out of our cells with each other. well the corrections officers screwed it up today, my tier ended up eating every ,eal in our cells, each of us alone. even after lunch (the holiday meal) one of the c/o's promised we woul get to eat our supper together at least since it was fucked up at lunch time. DID NOT HAPPEN! happy thanksgiving! if it were not for your simple gift, i would have been pissed off the whole day. but some more good news, i "woke up" two more guys. one promised to become active. i could tell the c/o's ears were listening in. GOOD GOOD, truth is infectous!
                                                         again thank you!
                                                           reno

[JosephSHaas]

Hey Keith:  Keep up the good work.

I got a letter from Bob in the mail today, saying that he will put me down for a Wednesday visit in the a..m.  They have to schedule each week different, the day before, some A-H, I-Z MWF, TTSS crap I guess to confuse things so you've gotta call in to see if request was granted the day before?

From past experience, I think you can drop off $dollar bills for a receipt when the clerk is working there like 8-4 M-F.  I'll try to give a $5.00 - $10.00 bill to Bob and Reno too.

Plus another packet in #10 envelopes went out to E+E + 4 tonight @ about 9:30 p.m. for postmark tomorrow and Wednesday delivery @ __:_ a.m./p.m. to N.H., and Nov. __ to E+E.

And: David, I think that was your tel. # on the missed call, so to try you same time tomorrow night, early evening.

Also: I did visit the Supremes and some guy overheard me while he was on the copier talking about this and that and he said to see Rep. Dan Itse this Jan. '08 for a House Bill #_____ to appeal cases to the N.H. General Court by Art. 32 is my guess for REAL justice.

Copied: The page 7 of Danny's Habeas Petition was at the Supremes, and they just sent him a "Case is accepted" letter today 11/26 with his brief due by Dec. 26th, and the opposition's Reply Brief (from Strafford County Attorney, +/or in-house Attny) by Jan. 25th '08 = only days before the start of the trial in federal court.  Maybe he can file a Motion to Continue to the Feds to await the state finding that the Feds are corrupt, and so not to waste any more taxpayer dollars either.

Yours truly, - Joe

P.S. Bill - I can scan and send you the page 7 + "Case is accepted" letter to put over at http://www.danrileyld.blogspot.com

PPS I also got my Reader's Digest copy in the mail today, so both E+E ought to have their copies too.

[keith in RI]

joe still nothing from elizabeth kelley yet? no call to me yet either... she called within 24 hours the first time and now its been days think she got scared off?? wonder if the feds saw her name posted here and "found" her you know? maybe next time we should keep the names in private emails??

[JosephSHaas]

...

Spelled with the extra letter e: http://www.elizabethkelleylaw.com/contact.asp

Keith,  I just called Elizabeth (at 11:37 a.m.) and she picked up the phone right away. I told her my name and referenced my call to her last week; and she said that she is supposed to get back to you: Mr. C. -- my reply being yes: Keith, who I guess is the coordinator of all this, for me to go through him, my guess being that she does not want everybody calling her office, like I did to try to give her a summary, and so to deal with Ed directly, but how and when to get there, and what $amount does she need to get this case going? 

She seemed rushed today, otherwise I would have told her the latest on Danny's case of his Habeas to be decided at the State Supremes here maybe in February after the opposition Reply Brief in January, so the case "moot" should he go to trial and lose like Ed in not being allowed to provide this 123:1 evidence to the jury!?  Of course not!  The fact that the legal bullets were not in Ed's case, nor might be the same mal-treatment in Danny's case, as in they might again say that the end justifies the means, as in a sociopath mentality, THEM the actually mentally ill patients needing some treatments for we are supposed to be operating in an Art. IV, Sec. 4 U.S. Constitutional Republican form of government that IN-cludes procedural due process too in that the end does NOT justify the means! Either the Feds have their 1-7-18 papers on file by N.H. RSA Ch. 123:1 for jurisdiction, or they do not.  It's as simple as that!* Too bad the Natural Law Party doesn't have a Presidential candidate running this time, or has anybody else adopted this plank on their platform of to have all public servants' heads examined!

Mitt Romney says on one TV commercial I saw that if/when he gets to be President he will audit the gov't from top to bottom, and that this also includes the U.S. Mint, and WHERE are those Section 16 gold bars from the Federal Reserve Act to mint into gold eagle coins for when the Federal Reserve System and their member banksters refuse to redeem these notes/ or promises to pay by Title 12 U.S. Code, Section 411. Can we get him to put this in writing, and spotlight for the others to sign too?  Is Bisquick going to have their traditional Pancake breakfast at the Center of New Hampshire in Manchester next month? That would be a good time to pin-em down. To call some campaign offices now. __ **

The question now being: $______ to her for to file and prosecute Ed's civil case of Habeas now in Ohio, for him to be out by Christmas, or to hoard the money in the $200,000 homestead exemption RSA Ch. 480:1 in the Plainfield property, and await what might happen in Danny's case?  Or maybe the Feds are not releasing the homestead $money until LATER?  In which case to sit and await Danny's win, to apply to Ed's future case AFTER Feb. '08, to file in another single-filing state if they move him, or will the Feds send him to another double-filing state in non-compliance, which the federal judge will tell him to sit in the prison for the next six years!!! + !!! ? That is UNLESS some candidate like Ron Paul wins the Presidency for those Pardons like Aaron Russo talked about in his "From Freedom to Fascism" film.

I think Ed ought to go forward with his case in Ohio right now, so that when he gets out, Danny can use the paperwork there in his New Hampshire case, and for this sit-on-your-ass mentality in New Hampshire, to have to go through the standard briefing times as regular cases, even in an Art. 91 Habeas case, at the Supremes, then the Strafford County WILL pay dearly***, in that they were given the opportunity to AGREE with Danny withIN 10 days of his Petition being filed, the judge (Stephen Houran, from Laconia, a former prosecutor with the N.H. Attorney General's Office) issuing his opinion BEFORE the 10-days ran out, but which "opinion" the Strafford County does not have to take, and can release him since the Feds don't even have a contract with the state or county, just some verbal agreement to keep on taking in federal funds, and so when they arrive in town to lodge one of their prisoners, the facility is supposed to bend over backwards and take it up the ass!? and like it!?  What a bunch of farts! To check out when next the County Commissioners meet and give them a piece of my mind, my 2-cents worth!!

Yours truly, -- Joe

-* footnote #1: When all is said and done, we ought to beef-up this N.H. R.S.A. Chapter 123:1 to be like that Minnesota States Annotated Section 1.043 (as I did write about to slimpickens here on Oct. 10 '07 @ 02:29 AM back as Reply #___ on page #____ here) that jurisdiction must be proven by the prosecutor when challenged by the defendant, AND the governor there to issue such a certificate as evidence to be marked as the exhibit, but who can refuse, such as in a removal process to another state, to pre-vent injustice, in like to require proof of that for WHERE the individual is going is in compliance with the state statute there, and if not to be the neighborly thing to do of to "Just Say No", as Nancy Reagan used to say.  The governor to say NO, to any certificate, and so to put a monkey wrench into the situation, and especially like when he/she hears how crappy that other state, like N.H. has dealt with others from: New York + Missouri (Danny + Jason), plus Vermont + Texas (Bob + Reno).

cc: Gov. ___________ of Minnesota, with thanks in advance to prevent similar injustice, as maybe the safe-haven to go to if on the run, like F. Tupper Saussy was years ago, http://www.tuppersaussy.com but didn't know about this great state of Minnesota that ought to be called the new "Show Me" state, because Missouri Ch. 12 over at http://www.constitution.org/juris/fjur/1fj-ba.htm brags about the fact of their state motto, but that Minnesota is the REAL state deserving of this top honor.

** Yesterday I also got in the mail, the denial of my Motion to Reconsider, so to file a Motion for Discovery of just WHERE is this RSA 21:4 technical definition of the word threat to mean something other than the dictionary definition of a coercion of no choice, to include choice! Plus BTW my check for the cassette tape(s) was returned proving that The Lebanon District Court does their banking with The Lake Sunapee Bank, and so to check to see if they have the $lawful money as required by Section 20 of the Coinage Act of 1792.

*** Daily Damages of: $2,500 per day, per the Veronia Silva case in the N.H. State Board of Claims, mid 1980s, her attorney: Andru Volinsky.

[keith in RI]

so should i try and call today or think i should wait, or another email maybe? did she sound like she was blowing you off? i left her a phone message the other day and she hasnt gotten back to me yet?? but she tells you she is going through me??



Keith,  I just called Elizabeth (at 11:37 a.m.) and she picked up the phone right away. I told her my name and referenced my call to her last week; and she said that she is supposed to get back to you: Mr. C. -- my reply being yes: Keith, who I guess is the coordinator of all this, for me to go through him, my guess being that she does not want everybody calling her office, like I did to try to give her a summary, and so to deal with Ed directly, but how and when to get there, and what $amount does she need to get this case going?

She seemed rushed today, otherwise I would have told her the latest on Danny's case of his Habeas to be decided at the State Supremes here maybe in February after the opposition Reply Brief in January, so the case "moot" should he go to trial and lose like Ed in not being allowed to provide this 123:1 evidence to the jury!?  Of course not!  The fact that the legal bullets were not in Ed's case, nor might be the same mal-treatment in Danny's case, as in they might again say that the end justifies the means, as in a sociopath mentality, THEM the actually mentally ill patients needing some treatments for we are supposed to be operating in an Art. IV, Sec. 4 U.S. Constitutional Republican form of government that IN-cludes procedural due process too in that the end does NOT justify the means! Either the Feds have their 1-7-18 papers on file by N.H. RSA Ch. 123:1 for jurisdiction, or they do not.  It's as simple as that!* Too bad the Natural Law Party doesn't have a Presidential candidate running this time, or has anybody else adopted this plank on their platform of to have all public servants' heads examined!

[JosephSHaas]

so should i try and call today or think i should wait, or another email maybe? did she sound like she was blowing you off? i left her a phone message the other day and she hasnt gotten back to me yet?? but she tells you she is going through me??

Keith,

You ought to give her a call, because maybe she doesn't really want to spend the cost for an out-of-state phone call?  If she's there and not busy, fine, or to ask her when a good time to call back would be, to e-mail you that info if she can't answer right away, and call then.  We've got to get a $dollar amount of what she wants to drive 2+2= 4 hours, plus an hour with Ed, and then her decision of: yes or no, to take the case.  Usually an initial conference with the attorney is free (or $25.00 by the Referral Fee program here in N.H. with the N.H. Bar Association, transferable to another attorney if he/she doesn't take the case?), but how can Ed get to her office? He can't so to get her out of the office to him.  Paperwork is fine to a point, but she has got to meet with Ed, and then Ed can communicate with her by e-mail now. Whatever happened to that Pro Bono work?  Donating time + $money to indigent clients.  Can't she write this off against her gross income, to get to a lower tax bracket?  Or is she still trying to make her quarters for Social Security?  And once reached, why would anyone not go with the $50.00 gold coin program so as to be under the reporting $amount. Maybe she doesn't want to take the case, because she will be the next Chapter #__ in the book. Or are her principles restricted to only state citizens, not federal withIN her state?  Has she a federal #___ to practice in court there, or is that another expense that has to be paid?

Like I did with Mike K., the Youngstown attorney, I called him, sent him some papers, then called again for him to say no.  Him saying that the case might be assigned to the Toldeo judge.  So either she gets involved now, or maybe for us to go looking in Toledo as where his case MIGHT be sent from the Youngstown court.  I'm getting to the point of that saying of you can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink.  Ed has all the info for his Habeas and although the court would like an attorney to file it from the start, if one cannot be found ahead of time, then maybe to file it anyway, and IF Cleveland is chosen, THEN maybe Elizabeth might say yes, or if Youngstown to re-call Mike who doesn't like to travel either, to see if he'd reconsider, or if Toledo, then to maybe get on a bus to there and do some walking, as the internet can only go so far, it looking good of Elizabeth's principles of fighting corruption on her website, but for whatever reason(s), the ball is in her court as she said, to give you a call, so maybe to set a deadline of her to toss the ball to you by say the end of this week, and if she can't get caught up on work after the Thanksgiving weekend by then, then to go onto looking for another attorney.  But as for me, I GIVE UP!  Let Ed sit there until AFTER Danny's case. Merry Christmas Ed in your jail cell, if you really wanted out, you'd be writing to the Treasury Agents for WHEN they'll release your RSA Ch. 480:1 homestead items to sell for an attorney. I called the U.S. Attorney's Office and the Assistant probably recorded our conversation with the Forfeiture Officer who said that the Treasury Agent would get back to me, but that's weeks ago now withOUT any reply.  I GIVE UP! here too, after my call to there in a few minutes, THEN Ed can write to them all he wants! - Joe

[JosephSHaas]

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... What about the RSA Ch. 480:1 homestead items? that are exempt! What's he doing about that! I never heard back from "That Girl" in Forfeiture, giving her a call now at 225-1552.  U.S. Attorney's Office, Joannie Hederman so thought the receptionist the other day and today, but her telling me to call Kim Cooper so I left a message there of WHEN will the forfeiture take place on BOTH properties, and since it is a crime scene for WHEN they will allow David to collect the RSA Ch. 123:1 **homestead exempt items to sell so that Ed & Elaine can have their own money in their accounts!? ....

Update: I just called the U.S. Attorney's Office @ 225-1552 for Kim Cooper, who I finally spoke with who transferred me over to Assistant U.S. Attorney Rob Raybach who put me on hold to a click and busy signal, at just after noontime today, me calling back of him onto a speaker phone with Kim Cooper listening, that of my four questions being:

1. The Treasury Dept.* agent to call me back for WHEN they will have the forfeiture of both properties.

The ball is in their court.  If/when they decide to forfeit, then I'll be there.  Until then I wait. JSH

[coffeeseven]

...it looking good of Elizabeth's principles of fighting corruption on her website...

That would be the case with all of them I talk to. Talked to two more today that once they found out the particulars said that they "don't do Habeas work". Thier website makes them look like friggin' gladiators.