Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 25

[Kat Kanning]

Great videos, Dave, thanks!  Sorry we couldn't be there.

Did you get a few $$ from Doritos for the product placement? 

Joe Haas is camera shy...how cute! 

[Lloyd Danforth]

Great job, Dave!

[keith in RI]

damn this is already at $60.00 with tons of time left...

We are putting some Liberty Dollar items on eBay to raise funds for the Browns, for the Liberty Dollar organization, and for my wife and me.  We've made a very neat collection out of the items, and they should become extremely collectible (they're already collectible, since the Liberty Dollar was raided).

We do have at least one lawyer for the Browns, who will begin by assisting the Browns with communications issues (no access to phones, not receiving letters, etc), and will go from there.  This is going to cost money.  We've used a bit of the Browns defense fund already by sending them money.  Electronically (using the credit card system) might be the best way to send them money.  Both Ed and Elaine could use money in their accounts.

Anyhow, if you'd like to help out some good causes and have a memorable keepsake to this whole mess, please consider bidding on some of the items.  A small number of the items will include Ed & Elaine memorabilia from their home as well.  Thank you

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250195954744

[LordBaltimore]

--There's a 1 year deadline for the Brown case cr-00071-01-sm which is January.  I believe that's what the U.S. District Court is trying to do to the Brown case in Concord, N.H.

What one year deadline is Ed referring to, Joe?  Ed and Elaine already turned down all opportunities for appeal by sending back all correspondence unopened to the court marked with that whole "Body of the Lord" nonsense.  As a result of missing every single deadline, they lost their right to appeal.  Both the criminal case docket and the appellate docket are closed.

Speaking of Body of the Lord, whatever happened to that Sonny guy?

[JosephSHaas]

--There's a 1 year deadline for the Brown case cr-00071-01-sm which is January.  I believe that's what the U.S. District Court is trying to do to the Brown case in Concord, N.H.

...
Speaking of Body of the Lord, whatever happened to that Sonny guy?

Would you believe?:  Sonny's gone over to the "dark" side!

May "The Force" be with you.

[TackleTheWorld]

Correction Keith,
That's not Sonny, that's Yacob.  Sonny has long hair and wears all white.

[keith in RI]

Correction Keith,
That's not Sonny, that's Yacob.  Sonny has long hair and wears all white.

i stand corrected....i should see my karma rating drop for this one! lol

[JosephSHaas]

Hey, This "MrTideman"* is right on!   

I just conducted a Google search for: Cirino Gonzalez, and found his* reply at page one #7 there:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/455687/Federal-District-Court-Superseding_Indictment

for the case of: USA v. Riley, Gerhard, Gonzalez, and Wolffe  cr. no. 07-189-01/02/03/04- GZS

"COUNT ONE, #7 on page 3 of 15 is a bunch of crap! The 'official duties' phrase only applies to when there is a conspiracy to injure the PROPERTY of any officer of the United States, so as to molest, interrupt, hinder or impede him in such discharge.  The charge of conspiracy to prevent, by force, intimidation OR threat applies to either: (a) BEFORE the 'any person' accepts, (b) while 'holding', or (c) wants to discharge those duties in any office, trust, or place of confidence.  In this case it's section (c) involving to discharge, but what TYPE of discharge?  Answer: a 'lawful discharge'.  This phrase repeated twice in this one long-winded sentence for good cause, because here in New Hampshire, we have the right to rebel against any and all unlawful discharges.  See Article 10 in the N.H. Constitution, Part First & Bill of Rights. And so because the Feds are in non-compliance with N.H. R.S.A. Ch. 123:1 from 1-8-17 U.S. Const., they are the outlaws!  There is NO engagement of lawful discharge, and so NO crime; this Count One FAILS!"

The exact words to 18 USC 372 over at http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/372.html to compare.

JSH (alias "MrTideman) 

[Russell Kanning]

the latest news ... from this forum I guess
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071209/FRONTPAGE/712090388

Elaine Brown offers details of her arrest
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By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff

December 09. 2007 12:06AM

   


Elaine Brown performed dental work on the undercover U.S. marshal who arrested her, and was eating pizza and drinking beer with him and her husband, Ed, when she was suddenly tackled, Tasered and handcuffed, she said in a letter recently posted on the internet.

[JosephSHaas]

the latest news ... from this forum I guess
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071209/FRONTPAGE/712090388

Elaine Brown offers details* of her arrest ...

By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff

December 09. 2007 12:06AM

* I see that Margo conveniently left out the part of the screaming deputy into her ears.  Margo: shame on you.  You deserve the chicken "battery cage", now go stand on your "sheet of paper" and do not raise your pen to write another article until you have eaten two eggs.  Doctor's orders! http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2007/03/16/nh_lawmakers_asked_to_give_chickens_room_to_spread_wings/ 

- - Joe

[JosephSHaas]

Don't forget:  Bob's Bail Hearing is at 11:00 o'clock a.m. today in Concord.

That's 2.5 hours from now.   - - Joe

[Kat Kanning]

This thread made me wonder:

http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12414.0

Did Shaun or anyone ever have a photo of this "Dutch" guy?

[JosephSHaas]

Update: 

The Bail Hearing for Bob is being conducted in two parts today:

1.) Part #1 went from about 11- 12:30 p.m. in Courtroom B; +

2.) Part #2 is going from 1:15 p.m. to the end in Courtroom #5.

The Courtroom #5 has the monitor(s) for the video and link to the website that his Attorney Garrity wants the Magistrate Muirehead to see and hear before his decision to grant bail. Garrity said it was O.K. for the judge to view them in chambers, but he said he'd like an open/ public hearing when either side can ask that he rewind if wanted to re-view to emphasise something.

The prosecutor started off familiarizing the magistrate with the case, and told of how Danny made a proffer of Bob seeing the tannerite being made into tree bombs, and that Bob offered to bring some containers for such, but that could be used for signal wind-chimes too is what Bob said out-of-turn.

His attorney then rebutted to the fact of Bob sending an e-mail to Valerie since he could not open the attachment on his computer, and neither could she at her office, but the prosecutor highlighting that it was some handbook on how to kill intruders. Bob's attorney countered with: yes, that was printed during the cold war between us and a possible Soviet Union / Russian take-over of our country back then.

Garrity then asked the judge if three of Bob's friends could talk, and she did plus her husband, and then Lois Gardner (of Jail4Judges BTW but not mentioned, who took over after Fred Davideit quit as our N.H. Commander). They spoke from behind the railing for about 2-minutes each and did a great job of highlighting Bob as not a threat to the public, and that couple even offering to hire Bob to work for them at their company.

What was also stated by Garrity was that Bob is NOT a flight risk because of the minimum amount of time that he COULD get IF convicted would only be eight months, but then Huffington, or whatever his name is, said that IF his finderprints are on the items (that COULD be wind chimes, OR something else), then it could be more time, to which the magistrated then said: 30 years to life, but unlike Judge Singal who said last Friday (in Bob's or Danny's hearing, I forget), it's only a recommendation from Congress to impose such a sentence within this range IF found guilty.

The government prosecutor then said that the federal laboratory is still conducting its finderprint tests, but that the results are not in yet. So maybe the judge might wait a week for this, or grant bail on some condition that IF found, then that might have been the straw that broke the camel's back to have said no? and for a re-call?

I'll report back to here later this afternoon of the result.

Yours truly, - - Joe

[keith in RI]

JESUS H CHRIST MARGOT!!!

perhaps before you publish your next story you could just send me some blank paper and a pen and i will write it for you then send it back to you so you can sign it and submit it to your publisher as yours!

  you still havent asked the marshalls "if there really arent any rsa papers on file with the state then does that mean everything that ed and elaine are doing is LEGAL?!?!" or how about asking where he saw the letter elaine wrote, i only posted it here and on my myspace. is he a regular visitor to the nhfree.com forums? or was he referred to this because of the letter? or did he infiltrate my friends list....lol...

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stay away from bobs hearing today i know your probably there right now trying to butcher that information the best you can!

here are some questions i have after reading your article:

1: how much beer were the "marshalls" drinking when they apprehended ed and elaine?

2: were they all 21?

3: were they in control of their weapons while drinking?

4:were they all federal marshalls?

5:you say they "hosted like-minded guests committed to helping them hold off authorities." i was there for a day and never vowed to help them hold off authorities! in fact they were alone when they were arrested except for federal marshalls who i believe are the only ones who made those statements. right? why not ask about that, if they had supporters willing to help them hold off the feds why were they alone? what was the percentage of "neighborly visitors" to "supporters who have vowed to fight the feds off?"

6:why didnt you note that shaun introduced them to the undercover agent unwillingly? he was fooled just like he browns. but that goes unmentioned and makes shaun, who is helping us currently with the search for a lawyer and fundraising for the browns, look like a rat or something. shame on you!

7: i wonder how the public will perceive a bunch of drunken federal marshalls ganging up on, and tasering an elderly couple for simply asking to see the law! remember they did offer to pay the tax and walk out if they were shown a law! did the marshalls celebrate the beating they gave by finishing the rest of the beer? and if not is the remainder of the beer currently in an evidence locker awaiting pick-up by one of the browns agents under the homestaed exemption act for personal belongings?? joe do you think beer is covered?

8:hey wait, didnt i tell margot she couldnt use anything i posted without my permission? did she break a law or some code or something?

9:margot im glad to see you at least hired a handwriting expert for this.....you did hire one right? or is that just your OPINION in an article you claim is based on fact?

10: you could have asked monier, "even in elaines isolation from the world the federal government was able to get her to exchange her hard worked labor (fixing the marshalls teeth) for absolutely nothing in exchange, does that seem right?" you neglect to mention that he paid her then they stole the money back from them along with everything else they own so they basically, yet again, stole her labor by deception! the exact thing they are accusing the feds of to begin with! does this slip by you?

11: you didnt note or question how elaine was so concerned about the marshalls health that she wouldnt use metal fillings but they were so unconcerned with hers that she suffered from untreated asthma attacks  her first week in prison. why not? she also had a broken hand before she was arrested you never questioned that or her medical condition at all??

12:why didnt you note that the same officer who said he was glad they werent shot also was screaming at elaine about her "crimes" ?

i could go on but its not worth it. ....margot if you want to show us how good of a butcher you are maybe you should make us all dinner instead! plus you would have more friends that way!

[Bill Riley]

Keith, the below should help explain Ms. Sanger-Katz journalistic integrity: (Georges son, Geordie Wilson is now the publisher)

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to put some facts out to forum to consider when reading stories from the Concord Monitor, one of the leading newspapers that have been somewhat hostile and disingenuous to the Tax Honesty movement.  The CM's coverage of the Ed and Elaine Brown story frequently tends to spin the THM as fringe, radical, anti-government kooks etc. etc.

The Concord Monitor's Parent Company is:
Newspapers of New England, Inc. George Wilson is President and CEO
Mr. Wilson also sits, or has sat, on the Board of the Washington Post:
http://www.washpostco.com/history-directors.htm

One of the leading members on the board of the Washington Post is:
Lee C. Bollinger (Columbia University President who recently made news with the Ahmadinejad visit to Columbia University)
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=62487&p=IROL-govHistBioDirectors&t=Regular&id=165099&

Mr. Bollinger also serves on the Board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/org_nydirectors.html
http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/orgchart/board/Bollinger.html

So please consider the news source and some of the inherent conflicts of interest that exist when you have a nexus between the News Media and the Central Banking system and their vested interest in keeping the income tax system alive.

regards,
Bill Riley

(PS  I'm not the father of Danny Riley as recently reported in the CM)