Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS, Part 25

[JosephSHaas]

received a letter from ed today and also a letter from ed to elaine to be forwarded!
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Keith,  I tried this once with the actual letter from Ed to Elaine on 5 pages, and the facility rejected the entire envelope of material, just like the stamps case.  So if you do mail it, maybe by then they will allow it, and be the signal (indirectly) that they now have "permission" to write to each other. The permission word used by Elaine in her letter to me.  So as not to waste postage, you might send it separately, as I doubt if hidden amongst other papers it would get through.  I tried that and it didn't work.  Good luck - Joe

[JosephSHaas]

lawyer elizabeth kelly in ohio just returned my phone call...she would love to sit down with ed however she wants to be compensated for the day being it is far to travel to him. she is mapquesting it and going to call me back with a figure. HELP!!! what do i do?? money money money...i got a hundred anyone else? im going to call elaines son i think hes listed in the book...

Keith, Is that the correct spelling of her name? I checked it over at http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/atty_reg/Public_AttorneyInformation.asp but she has no name, nor registration number.  Are you sure she is really an attorney able to practice in Ohio?  Watch out for paying $money up front, and hearing nothing back.  Where/How did you get her name? Maybe she's a law school graduate who just joined the B.A.R. so not listed yet?  If so, then who runs this website to add it right away for us to have more confidence to donate $xx.xx amounts, otherwise, as they say a real "confidence" game alright, like Geo. C. Scott in "The Flim Flam Man."  -- Joe

P.S. And yeah, what's up with Elaine's son not getting the RSA Ch. 480:1 homestead items to sell to raise $money for an attorney.  Certain items are exempt, but not until AFTER the trial of the other four?

[coffeeseven]

I've got a call in to three attorneys that are (Google Maps) 36 minutes away from Ed. Cincinnati. Awaiting a response.

Keith - If the attorney wants to get paid before working each day it sounds like somebody can't afford gas. Maybe not so good.

[JosephSHaas]

I've got a call in to three attorneys that are (Google Maps) 36 minutes away from Ed. Cincinnati. Awaiting a response.

Keith - If the attorney wants to get paid before working each day it sounds like somebody can't afford gas. Maybe not so good.

Spelled with the extra letter e: http://www.elizabethkelleylaw.com/contact.asp

[keith in RI]

she said she is in cleveland and ed is in elkton which is hours away...i think...she said she has to cancel a day to travel to him so she would want to be compensated upfront for that day. then deal with other stuff later.  no offense guys this is a lawyer willing to goto ed and sit with him. ed is begging for a lawyer and WE need to  get him one. he wants one now it sounds like too. i say depending how much we need to get this lady to him. anyone else have better ideas? i left her a message asking her to call me back about my friend in elkton that needs a lawyer. she called me within 2 hours. saying she also thinks he needs a newhampshire lawyer and she knows one. her practice includes # Post-Conviction Relief/New Trial Motions isnt that what ed wants? and SHE CALLED BACK!! any other lawyer call back yet? hey im just sayin....i told her who ed was and she said she had heard of him and then said she was still willing to talk to him ....i have mailed her copies of freedom to fascism already tonight. i hope to hear from her by tommorow.

I've got a call in to three attorneys that are (Google Maps) 36 minutes away from Ed. Cincinnati. Awaiting a response.

Keith - If the attorney wants to get paid before working each day it sounds like somebody can't afford gas. Maybe not so good.

[error]

she said she is in cleveland and ed is in elkton which is hours away...i think...

Yeah, two of them, each way.

[JosephSHaas]

she said she is in cleveland and ed is in elkton which is hours away...i think...(*)

she said she has to cancel a day to travel to him so she would want to be compensated upfront for that day. then deal with other stuff later.  no offense guys this is a lawyer willing to goto ed and sit with him. ed is begging for a lawyer and WE need to  get him one. he wants one now it sounds like too. i say depending how much we need to get this lady to him. anyone else have better ideas? i left her a message asking her to call me back about my friend in elkton that needs a lawyer. she called me within 2 hours. saying she also thinks he needs a newhampshire lawyer and she knows one.(**)

her practice includes # Post-Conviction Relief/New Trial Motions isnt that what ed wants? and SHE CALLED BACK!! any other lawyer call back yet?(***) hey im just sayin....i told her who ed was and she said she had heard of him and then said she was still willing to talk to him ....i have mailed her copies of freedom to fascism already tonight. i hope to hear from her by tommorow.

I've got a call in to three attorneys that are (Google Maps) 36 minutes away from Ed. Cincinnati. Awaiting a response.

Keith - If the attorney wants to get paid before working each day it sounds like somebody can't afford gas. Maybe not so good.

(*) Yes, exactly 77 miles = 1.5 hr. driving time from Cleveland to the Youngstown court for Elkton F.C.I. according to http://www.burghamfamilytree.com/Places%20pages/youngstown.htm so to 2 hrs. past there to Elton x 2 = 4 hours round trip + 2 hours with Ed + 2 hrs. back at office putting together the habeas = 8 hr. day x 2 (day in court) = 16 hrs. x what? $100 per hour deal = $1,600 to $2,000?

(**) A N.H. lawyer: So do I, and he's a former federal prosecutor willing to help Danny out if all else fails.

(***) Yes, Michael G. Kivlighan, 219 W. Broadway Street, Youngstown, OH 44503 Tel. 330: 746-6301 http://www.kivlighanlaw.com called me back on the same day to my cell phone #, and left a recording, I called back to him, we talked, I sent some paperwork, and have yet to call him again, ___ He's right there in the same city as the court and just down the road from Elkton, so to save travel costs of what? $500.00 every time she leaves the office and hits the road?  Or is she willing to just charge gasoline costs while driving to/from Elkton? Look at the map of Cleveland up on Lake Erie over at http://consumer.discoverohio.com/visitorinformation/interactivemap.aspx for Youngstown just to the SE of there in the same upper corner of the state.

-- Joe

[KBCraig]

Before you spend money on an Ohio lawyer, you should be aware that Ed won't be staying in Elkton for long.

Just leave it at that, and I'll let you know more when I can.

[JosephSHaas]

Letter from Reno.

I just received in today's mail [Mon. Nov. 19th], a 1-page (both sides) letter from Reno of 11/16,Fri., postmarked 11/17.

He writes that he likes reading the KFP, and wishes to receive any other "liberty news"papers, and "listen(ed?-past tense? to) NPR"/ National Public Radio? Or can he get the radio in there with headphones like to the T.V. sets in Dover?  I don't know if he gets the http://www.unionleader.com like Danny does (with three inmates getting a subscription in Dover). To set Danny up with a mini sub. of the http://www.concordmonitor since nobody here as yet has offered such as previously requested.

Reno also like the books there, but "the C/O in charge of the books got into it with one/ few of my fellow MAX inmates.  I later heard he fucked us out of even more books because no one wanted to be near him. -- There is a small book case that was full when I arrived.  Last week a few others got into it with the SAME C/O.  Only allowed the top half to be replaced.  I heard it is even less now.  I did not check, for if I did, I would have been inclined to comment on big bastard's laziness as well."  (*)

He sends out info to his supporters to research then blog. The only blog I've seen is that one from Texas. Are there others? Some guy in Rome is spreading the news.

(*) These bits and pieces by letters is OK, but a visit would be better. The Strafford County Jail in Dover is way better than the Merrimack Dump, even though both places are new, it's the "Establishment" in Boscawen that's made up of goon-squad deluxe.  The Super. there must be a real jerk if he has no control over goon C/O's gone berserk. In Dover, there's even a Welcome lady with coffee and cookies, plus toys and reading books for the visitors with children.  They welcome additional paperback books as on their website.  Do the Merrimack County Commissioners really take the tour and get to see the operation as mal-practiced, like they do in Grafton County? It seems that they take the attitude of they don't give a shit.  Let them eat cake. Bob said the food was crap.

- - Joe

P.S. The Nov. 1st packet I sent to "Cirino Gonzales" I just got in today's mail too, as marked: (1) ATTEMPTED, NOT KNOWN, Return to Sender (in black ink); + (2) RETURN TO SENDER/ REASON (in red ink) with black ink printed: Contraband Enclosed*

*Say what?! maybe the one piece of newspaper clipping from the "Laconia Daily Sun"?  I checked the box one night after work about midnight, there being a pile of papers there, so I took six and sent each inmate the same clipping, and only this one was returned!  So my guess is that they're using these excuses as retaliation techniques.  More goon-squad mentality in in-action forward, but ass-backwards, and also marked in black ink:  (3) ANIC R-14, whatever that means. To resend withOUT the clipping. Note: similar treatment against Jason in Dover, of one of his envelopes to him held up for 10 days, but eventually delivered.

[JosephSHaas]

Ed's letters #__ + #___ to me, of Oct. 29th, 2007 (the Monday before Halloween) x 2. It almost Thanksgiving now, and then onto Christmas and New Year's.

I just got these postmarked November 14th (last Wednesday), in today's mail (Mon., Nov 19th) -- writing this early Tuesday morning, burning the mid-night oil as they say.

He writes of to contact some lawyer; what's happening with Elaine, send pictures of home (I'll send him that color one from the Dees website), and newspaper articles about the case.  While he was up there he heard about the news from us visitors, but I guess half the time never saw the stories in print, so maybe somebody has a file on these and can copy and send to him?

Ed also sent me his Oct. 26, 2007 "Formal Complaint" that is being re-typed right now:

"Put this on the internet Joe.  Or it will be lost. Ed.  Oct. 26, 2007

'Formal Complaint' Against U.S. Deputy Marshal.

U.S. Marshals Service
Deputy Gary DeMartino

Deputy DeMartino:

--A side note regarding  Doctor Elaine Brown, my wife.

--After we were kidnapped and brought to the Lebanon P.O. on 10-4-07.

--I was in the holding cell and Dr. Brown was brought into another room.  The deputy that brought her in had gone outside for something and returned a couple of minutes later.

--I was standing not three feet from him when he said 'Oh damn! somebody shit on me.' I said 'I hope it wasn't my wife.'  I looked down at his leg where he was looking and he in fact did have excrement on his upper left thigh.  It was a glob smeared as when you wipe your backside.  Elaine could have been so frightened that she soiled herself during her kidnapping or she could have been handled too roughly. / [page 1 / 2, in pencil]  whichever the case, be advised that the deputies need adequate training on proper handling of non-combatants especially women.

--However I wish to bring to your attention my grave concern as to this particular action on the night of October 4, 2007, at approximately 7:45 P.M. by one of your deputies.

--Several of us discussed this at length and this is our conclusion: as there were several other witnesses to this incident.

--The excrement was smeared on his upper thigh.  The only way that could possibly happen is how?

--Why would the deputy under any circumstances have his leg between my wife's legs? - - Exactly.

--U.S. Marshals had integrity at one time.  They would have hung a man for doing that.  Here's to decency lost.

Edward Lewis clan Brown"

JSH

footnote: The #10 envelope (with the Liberty Bell "Forever" stamp of first-class postage rate), was opened at the top and re-sealed with Scotch tape.  It has Ed's and my addresses and some bar code with the # 03302+3842-42 B225 for my zip and P.O. Box, but what does the dash 42 B225 stand for? and WHO and WHY did they open it?  Did the guard(s) read the mail before sending it out?

footnote #2: Ed also writes to: "call the radio shows and ask them to put it on the air. R.B.N., Alex Jones*, Joyce Riley."

* Alex Jones' associate covered my "Wise up or Die" case right?  And here's some more info: I also got in today's mail (Mon. 11/19) the Lebanon Prosecutor's 2-page Nov. 14th OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO RECONSIDER (of Nov. 5th). And BTW I'm still waiting for the RSA 91-A answer to my question to the PS&T, late as way over the 5-day "dead"line.

[keith in RI]

im not leaving it at that! ed is begging to talk to a lawyer and i feel all anyone here is doing is arguing. this lawyer is in ohio ed is in ohio ...anyone have better ideas??? any other lawyers yet to call back??? NO! ed wont be staying in elkton long, not if we get him a lawyer who can get him out. are we going to wait till they move them??? or maybe we should wait till they sell the properties and then get them a lawyer to fight for their dirty underwear! i mean wtf guys?? is anyone reading eds letters?? ALL HE WANTS IS A LAWYER! CAN WE GET HIM ONE PLEASE?!?! this shouldnt be that difficult hes been there how many weeks now?!?!

Before you spend money on an Ohio lawyer, you should be aware that Ed won't be staying in Elkton for long.

Just leave it at that, and I'll let you know more when I can.

[KBCraig]

im not leaving it at that! ed is begging to talk to a lawyer and i feel all anyone here is doing is arguing. this lawyer is in ohio ed is in ohio ...anyone have better ideas???

I'm not arguing. I'm just telling you that this Ohio lawyer won't be doing anything for Ed beyond the initial visit, assuming you manage to collect $500-1,000 for her to pay him a visit. Before she makes a second visit, he won't still be in Elkton. If she makes the drive and Ed has already been put on the bus to his next destination, you're still out the money, and she's not going to offer any refunds.

As far as Ed & Elaine are concerned, every day is hell. As far as the legal system is concerned, a day is just another day they get paid. There is no pressing timeline here, legally speaking. When Ed gets to his destination, he'll have much better access to mail, telephones, the inmate legal library, and lawyers via telephone and/or visits.

Save your money until it can do some good.

[JosephSHaas]

....

...then over to see Bill Miller with his mother Marie at the State Hospital at 5:30 p.m./ ....

I saw Bill with his mother last night to 8:00 p.m. closing time.  He reminded me that he was the coordinator when the compound first got to be THE site of the standoff, and thanked him for that affidavit idea, still wondering if they're in the federal file.  Although the military court-martial never got activated against McAuliffe, he still thinks he ought to face the music somewhere, and probably will, when the Maine judge Singal to where he sent the cases to for pre-trial in Portland rules on the Motion(s) for Discovery* of the RSA 123:1 papers that they do not exist from 1-8-17 U.S. Const., and so to grant any and all four Motions to Dismiss*.  The question being: which attorney will get this into paperwork for processing first? ...

P.S. Here's why I did originally start to write this, and got off on a tangent.  Bill's hearing(*) on his competency of whatever is scheduled for Monday morning at __:__ o'clock (time unknown, so 8-9 am?). And anybody is welcome to sit and back him up. I think so far: his mother Marie, Bernie and I will be there.

(*) Update: There was no hearing.  I talked with Marie at about 6:15 p.m. last night and she said that she was with her Billy at about 11:30 a.m. just before the scheduled hearing at 12:00 o'clock high noon, [on special time visit I guess] but then it was canceled, for the reason being that he was on meds they injected at about 11:45 a.m. that got him so hyper that they did not want the judge to see him in such a state.  His mother saw him then too, and couldn't believe that they'd stoop so low as this, arguing with them she did to having to be escorted out of the building.  I tried to see Bill at about 6:30 p.m. but that he was still in lock-down.  Maybe today he will be better and can be seen to explain to us what happened.  Marie to call me later this morning or early afternoon to see about seeing him.  Before she takes the 1-hr. drive to x 2 = 2-hr. round trip from her home, I might try to visit and call her for a progress report, or she can call in to see if the door is open again from 12 noon to 8:00 p.m. every day as usual.  Will report back to here tonight.  -- Joe

[coffeeseven]

im not leaving it at that! ed is begging to talk to a lawyer and i feel all anyone here is doing is arguing. this lawyer is in ohio ed is in ohio ...anyone have better ideas???

I'm not arguing. I'm just telling you that this Ohio lawyer won't be doing anything for Ed beyond the initial visit, assuming you manage to collect $500-1,000 for her to pay him a visit. Before she makes a second visit, he won't still be in Elkton. If she makes the drive and Ed has already been put on the bus to his next destination, you're still out the money, and she's not going to offer any refunds.

As far as Ed & Elaine are concerned, every day is hell. As far as the legal system is concerned, a day is just another day they get paid. There is no pressing timeline here, legally speaking. When Ed gets to his destination, he'll have much better access to mail, telephones, the inmate legal library, and lawyers via telephone and/or visits.

Save your money until it can do some good.

I totally agree with KBCraig. Keith I understand your frustration and especially Ed's. I'm frustrated too. After thinking about this at length we are attacking this thing backwards. The whole case hinges on the house. No house, no case. There's no way we can raise the amount of money we will need for the long run and this will be the long run. Ed has already been convicted to the tax charges, structuring etc. We may or may not get that overturned or reduced. Worst case scenario he's in for 5 years. Best case is yet to be seen. In order of importance the tax conviction is not what's going to equate to decades in prison; it's the weapons charges that haven't been leveled yet.

So while it may make us all feel better to have a lawyer drive two hours to see him, I think we had better concentrate on getting the house back from the feds so we can afford to fight this the right way.

I think we also need to start leaning on the Bureau of Prisons to find out when Ed can receive visitors. At this stage it would be most helpful to monitor his condition ourselves rather than bankrolling a visit from an out-of-venue lawyer.

I am not the boss here. If you guys think I'm all wrong please tell me. I want to see the man get a fair trial and everyone get out of prison ASAP. If you think I am making a statement contrary to that goal I would appreciate the input. We are after all supposed to be a team.

[Kat Kanning]

Glad Reno got the KFP