Freedom to Travel Event, Part 2

[Michael Fisher]

Individuals can pursue the cause of liberty as they see fit, but the way to accomplish those goals is by working with the establishment."

Yep and I'M going to go work at Ford and build me a Toyota.

ROFL!!!!!!!

[Ron Helwig]

I stopped by the NHLA meeting tonight. Had to leave when Gorman showed - Otis growled at him 

[AlanM]

I stopped by the NHLA meeting tonight. Had to leave when Gorman showed - Otis growled at him?

Otis and One-eyed Pete would have been buddies. 

[Kat Kanning]

It's funny, I heard Russell tell the reporter, "I've never been much of a libertarian type."  and that got transformed into Russell being a stauch libertarian.  heh.  I guess this one heard him when he said this wasn't an FSP event.

[Kat Kanning]

How long before people who speak out against the government wind up on the no-fly list?

[Kat Kanning]

Good article about National ID...I hadn't heard that they want to make the system worldwide compatible.

http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle2005/tle321-20050529-05.html
THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE
Number 321, May 29, 2005
"Here come the spoilers"

Not a Good Week
by Ron Beatty
bearfreeliberty@yahoo.com

Exclusive to TLE

As I'm sure all of you have noticed, the last week or so has not been a good one for the rights of free people. Not only has the REAL ID act passed, but now those persons who claim to represent us are attempting to compel other countries to adopt similar measures, making their ID procedures compatible with the contemptable schemes of our elected ninnies. The effect of this is to create not just a national ID system, but in effect, a de facto world ID system. The technologies contemplated for implementing this system include biometric information which is imprinted in a magnetic code on whatever form of ID card they come up with, and sub-dermal RFID chips, which can be 'read' by a scanner, either hand held or a portal type system, similar to airport metal detectors.

At the present time, the biometric system seems to be the preferred system. However, there are problems with this, including the fact that there is no worldwide standard for reading and interpreting biometric indicators. About the only widely accepted standard is the retinal scan, and even that has some detractors.

Hence, we are seeing ever more development of the RFID chips, with government, school systems (is there any difference?) urging parents to get their children 'chipped' for their own safety. So far, there has been less of a protest against this than I would have thought. However, this may be because it is 'for the children', and given the numbers of child abductions and murders, I suppose it is natural that fearful people want to be safe.

There is no safety short of death, people!

No matter what you do, there is no way that you can be totally safe! If you can't guarantee your own safety, how the hell can you expect someone who doesn't know you, doesn't give a damn about you, except as a source of 'food' (taxes), to make you safe? Ladies and gentlemen, our elected officials don't give a damn about us as individuals. All they care about is votes and money. They want to keep getting elected so they can keep stealing, and that is all they care about. Now, I have to admit there are a few exceptions to this. Ron Paul comes to mind, but there are very few.

Take a close look at your representatives voting record. Do they vote for increased government power and authority? Do they vote for increased taxation? Do they vote for increased government 'supervision' over every day matters? Do they vote for increased security for government employees, at the expense of the rights of the NON-governmental citizens? If they do, they will vote to plant RFID chips in your body. Of course, this will be sold as an 'anti-terrorism' or 'national security' measure. You will hear things like: Well, this will let us identify missing children easier," or perhaps something like: If there is ever another attack like the WTC, this will let us identify the bodies easier, to spare the families the anguish of not knowing,' or some other similar verbal excrement. Naturally, this will only be done after the 'failure' of biometric ID systems to prevent another catastrophe, which is almost guaranteed by the fact that the systems are not presently compatible, that they are subject to interpretation by human beings, and that not everyplace is capable of implementing this type of system.

My personal belief is that at some point, there will be a call for an absolutely foolproof method of personal identification. This belief is based on recent history, and the actions of the craven, pusillanimous, piss ants in Washington over the last few months and years. I think that within the next year we will see a call for implantable chips. Perhaps this will begin as a prerequisite for government housing or some other form of government assistance. After all, this would be a foolproof way to eliminate fraud and waste, wouldn't it? It would be a foolproof way to make sure only 'authorized' persons were in any particular area, wouldn't it? With chip readers at every door, there would never be an unsolved crime again, would there?

These are the rationalizations we're going to hear. We may even hear things like "Well, women use Norplant contraceptives. Why would they object to having something else planted under the skin for their own personal safety?"

Now, I know some will automatically brand me as some form of 'conspiracy theorist'. So be it. I have not, and will not accuse anyone of any type of conspiracy, only of cowardice, greed and lust for power, and authoritarian behaviour. I say that the pack of elitist scum who believe that they know best for everyone is guilty of this type of behaviour. I say that their own actions will eventually backfire against them. Just a cursory reading of history will show that every single time a 'ruling class' has gotten to the point that they behave as if they are better than the ordinary citizen, there has been some form of social unrest, up to and including revolutions, terrorism, civil wars, and other forms of social chaos. Will it happen here?

I don't know. I do know, however that there are many people who will not accept being 'chipped.' I include myself in this. I will never willingly accept any form of implantable ID. Before I do that, I will resist this authoritarian, tyrannical scheme with any means within my power. To this end, I am suggesting a massive campaign of non-compliance with any form of nationalized personal ID. Don't use credit cards, use cash. Buy from individuals, rather than 'authorized dealers. Whenever possible, use barter. Do your best to stay under the radar of the hyena dung bureaucrats. I shouldn't say that, I guess. Even hyena dung can be useful as fertilier! I'm sure you can each think of other ways to monkey wrench the system. Join with like minded people to form communities dedicated to living free. Don't publicize it, that just draws negative attention. Just do it!

Who knows? We may all end up in gulags or concentration camps like Camp X-ray in Gitmo. Or, we might just end up free people, in a free country once again.

[mvpel]

Here's a good quote from the Dredd Scott v. Sanford case:

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It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished; ...
===

This was one attorney arguing against treating Black people as citizens, instead of property.

How are American citizens of any color treated these days when travelling from state to state?   Hmmm...

[mvpel]

I strenuously object to your drawing a parallel between Camp X-Ray and concentration camps and gulags.  It's intellectually dishonest and minimizes the immense horror and inhumanity perpetrated against the victims of actual concentration camps and gulags.

Surely you can object to the detention of individuals by the US government without resorting to repellent and dishonest hyperbole.

[Russell Kanning]

If I am sent there....will any of you really know what is happening to me?

[AlanM]

If I am sent there....will any of you really know what is happening to me?

To make light of the situation, I;ve been wondering what HAS ALREADY happened to you. 

[Michael Fisher]

Libertarians plan protests to promote political beliefs
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050606/NEWS0201/106060019/-1/CITIZEN

[Dave Ridley]

The FBI dropped by Russell's place today in Keene while I was over here and asked to see him.   He wasn't here at the time, but after they left I contacted Russell at work and he is going to call them and invite them over to his workplace if they want to chat immediately.  Save tax dollars and all that.

They are probably pulling up outside the office where he works right about now.

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Sent this to the Gardner Goldsmith show at WGIR in Manchester:

Gard:  FBI came looking for Russell today.

One of the agents was Phil Christiana, special agent from the Boston Division (though he's HQ'd here in state).
I've forgotten the other agent's name.

more details and Updates will be posted to http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=1102.0
and (more slowly) to the front page at NHfree.com

[Michael Fisher]

I just informed my contacts about this.  So far I've contacted the Concord Monitor, Portsmouth Herald, Exeter Newsletter, WMUR Channel 9, and the Associated Press.

If we can write up a quick press release I'll send it off to all of these contacts as well as the Union Leader, the Boston Globe, and Foster's.

[Dave Ridley]

More details:  The agents didn't initially idendify themselves as such , just asked if I was Russell.  Also asked for "Katherine."  I told them they weren't here then asked who they were.  One said something like "we're with a company in Portsmouth."   I told them Kat was how she says her name and that she would be back in a couple hours, that Russell wasn't here.  I asked if this was related to Russell's plan to go to the airport and they sort of grinned and said "maybe."  I said I'll take that as a yes and grinned back    They said someting like if you could help us get in touch with him that would help us.   And I said I'm still a little hazy on who "us" is.  And then they said OK we're with the FBI and one showed me his badge (although it looked more like an I.D.)

So then I relaxed a lot more and sat down on the steps thanked them for telling me who they were.  They said they were more or less just wanting to talk to him , indicated that they could see some potential benefit in what he is planning to do, i.e. that it might expose some problems in the system.  they said they wanted to do this within the next couple hours rather than having to come back or wait until Russell's shift was over.  I told them we shared a couple of goals with them, i.e. ensuring that no passengers are delayed and ensuring that the agents themselves be able to complete their assignment as fast as possible to reduce tax expenditure.   

I told them I didn't have russell's permision to tell them where Russell works but that I would be happy to try and contact him there and try to put them all in touch.  They indicated a willingness to leave and come back after the call; I told them all I needed was for them to be out of earshot during the call.   (if we have a wiretap already not much I can do about that right? )  When I called russell at work I was able to give him Phil's cell number , Russell indicated he'd call Phil and invite the agents over to the office where he's working.  That's the last thing I know.

The agents were polite but of course not very honest at first.  I told them their presence was "welcome."  I told them we were operating on the Gandhi model, that Gandhi always was friendly to the British no matter what they did to him.  they are pulling up in the driveway again brb

[Lloyd Danforth]

It's 2 PM!  Oh Shit, they got Dave!