Lauren kidnapped roadside by thugs Oct. 2nd, Part 1

[kola]

So it is a waiting game.

And the goons could keep her there forever.



Kola

[EthanAllen]

"Lawful request" doesn't mean you have to answer nor can you be punished for remaining silent.  A REQUEST and DEMAND are two different things. 

The fact remains, the cop made a "WARRANTLESS ARREST".  Is speeding a crime, yes or no?  If it's not then the cop has a big problem.  Unless of course you want to focus on irrelevant issues like "lawful request".

Lauren was stopped for probable cause (speeding). She was asked to produce her license and registration (a lawful request). She refused to comply with the lawful request (which she is required by law to produce) because she does not recognize the authority of the local police to regulate the collectively owned roads. Anyone who doesn't produce their license or registration may be subject to arrest unless they can give a good reason as to why they don't.

The deal was sealed when she refused to talk to them and cooperate.

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

"You have the right to remain silent..."

[EthanAllen]

"You have the right to remain silent..."

If you do not produce your license or registration (silently if you wish) you may be subject to arrest.

[Insurgent]

Lauren is still in jail .... as far as I know.

They told me today that she is in a regular cell, by herself since she has not cooperated with the intake medical procedure.  I was informed that she may recieve mail, is 'taking nourishment,' is speaking to staff (but only about things unrelated to her case, status, etc.), and has taken the top bunk in her cell.  So, it sounds like everyone is settling in for a long haul.

That's good to hear, relatively speaking. The intake cell for females at Valley Street is miserable; a single solitary with no toilet. A glorified broom closet, really. In order for the inmate to use toilet facilities, she has to notify guards who then clear out the men from main holding tank into another room for that duration. Of course jails suck, in general 

[Insurgent]

"Before this ugly edifice, and between it and the wheel-track of the street, was a grass-plot, much overgrown with burdock, pig-weed, apple-pern, and such unsightly vegetation, which evidently found something congenial in the soil that had so early borne the black flower of civilised society, a prison." --Nathaniel Hawthorne The Scarlet Letter (my favorite writer) 

[picaro]

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a
just man is also a prison.
--Henry David Thoreau
_Resistance to Civil Government_ (1849)

[Dave Ridley]

finally called the jail sup today...guy who answered took down half my message and then said "we don't have any control over that, call the judge, thanks for your call."

[Dave Ridley]

where's the lauren page again?

[karenijohnson]

you all need some COURT paralegal type experience...

someone local should read the below and COLLECT any info you can on LAUREN (Both the JAIL and the COURT.... you can call the JAIL 24 hours usually)
A CASE and agency name SHOULD be on the TOW documents and the RELEASE paperwork when Mr. Johnson or whoever got the car back..


COURT(most likely Milford District)
Hillsborough County District Court Directions

Hillsborough County has six district courts:

1.  Goffstown District Court
2.  Hillsborough District Court
3.  Manchester District Court
4.  Merrimack District Court
5.  Milford District Court
6.  Nashua District Court


Milford District Court (Photo 1 & Photo 2)
180 Elm Street

PO Box 943
Milford, NH 03055

Justice : Hon. Martha A. Crocker
Special Justice : Hon. Paul S. Moore
Clerk : D. Lynn Lavigne
Phone : (603) 673-2900
Hours : Monday - Friday, 8:00am to 4:00pm

Jurisdiction : Towns of Milford, Brookline, Amherst, Mason, Wilton, Lyndeborough, and Mont Vernon.
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/courtlocations/hillsdistdir.htm#Milford
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YOU have to find out
1) WHAT cases are the jail people holding LAUREN on (she might have some PRIOR tickets that turned into warrants or something...)??  ALL matters have to addressed for her release...

2) What NEW CASES are filed resulting from "recent kidnap day"??

ALL of the information is PUBLIC record and they have to tell you if you request... NO RELATION to accused required.  ANYBODY can file a habeas corpus... but it is a lot of typing and usually does not do much usually... we know that she was unlicensed and in a car with a nh PLATE on it...and does not CLAIM to live outside NH (that is about all they need to make a case)...


karenijohnson
104AM est oct16

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things to do to get info on LAUREN (held on Traffic Crimes)
« Reply #185 on: October 12, 2007, 10:02 PM NHFT »
   

things to do to get info on LAUREN (held on Traffic Crimes)

everybody held in Jail has to have some paperwork at the jail:
the jail *should* release the following information to a caller:
((jails usually have 24x7x365 phone hours))

caller supplies info:  arrested person NAME(lauren canario), approximate age (date of birth if known), approximate date arrested.

get info:
-name as booked
-charges being held on (jail should be able to tell caller STATUTE numbers and common (slang description DUI...)
-CASE Number being held under
-Court Name where case is filed.
-Next court date/time/Courtroom#/Department# and reason for hearing
-(maybe) last court date and what happened in court
-AMOUNT OF Bail to get person out NOW.
-arresting agency name
-(maybe) complaining Officer Name/Badge#



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as to "HOUSING" (where the person sleeps), they go through 'classification' (any enemies in jail, hiv positive, hate homosexuals, ...) and usually must be "housed" in a normal jail place (not booking/not intake) within 8 hours. THE jail staff CAN HANDLE all situations.

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EVERY prisoner usually is offered a RULE BOOK of rules in the jail... It is worth reading...


karenijohnson
1045pm est Oct12

[Jim Johnson]

So it is a waiting game.

And the goons could keep her there forever.

Kola

It's only a waiting game in one respect.
Every day that Lauren is in jail more people will wake up to what is happening to her.
She is exercising the boundaries of her rights which means the 'justice system' will have to exercise the extremes of it's cruelty.
Every day that she is in jail more people will have to except that the 'justice system' is cruel and unjust.
She is willing to do the hard part, all we have to do is keep a light shined on her.
And the wait is only for enough people to wake up.

[Jim Johnson]

you all need some COURT paralegal type experience...

karenijohnson
1045pm est Oct12

Only a fool plays in a rigged game.

[coffeeseven]

It also used to be the location of the US Marshals Museum, but that closed 3 or 4 years ago.

I think we've pretty much agreed that that's where U.S. Marshals should be. 

[612Actual]

"Lawful request" doesn't mean you have to answer nor can you be punished for remaining silent.  A REQUEST and DEMAND are two different things. 

The fact remains, the cop made a "WARRANTLESS ARREST".  Is speeding a crime, yes or no?  If it's not then the cop has a big problem.  Unless of course you want to focus on irrelevant issues like "lawful request".

Lauren was stopped for probable cause (speeding). She was asked to produce her license and registration (a lawful request). She refused to comply with the lawful request (which she is required by law to produce) because she does not recognize the authority of the local police to regulate the collectively owned roads. Anyone who doesn't produce their license or registration may be subject to arrest unless they can give a good reason as to why they don't.

The deal was sealed when she refused to talk to them and cooperate.

What part about "WARRANTLESS ARREST" aren't you grasping?  Does your Vehicle Code mandate that the "driver" produce their license on "request"?

Additionally, you continue to equate a DEMAND with a REQUEST.  If a cop ASKS you a question you're under NO OBLIGATION to answer it.  Say you're walking down the sidewalk and a cop approaches you and ASKS you what time it is, are you REQUIRED to answer under threat of arrest?

You used the terms "probable cause".  Those terms are only used in relation to CRIME.  Is speeding a CRIME where she lives?  If so then "probable cause" exists.  As for the "request" for information.  Apparently the Miranda warning isn't used back there but out here, and most other places, you have the RIGHT to remain silent.  You CAN NOT be compelled to provide evidence or testimony that can be used against you.  When the cop ASKS for ID or a driver license a question one could ask is:  "Officer, if I consent to provide what you ASKED for, can you use it against me in a court of law?".  We know the answer.  So another question one could ask after the cop answers could be:  "Officer, am I required to produce evidence that you can use against me in a court of law?" "Officer, will you punish me for exercising my right to remain silent?", "Officer, do you require my consent to inspect my personal documents?", "Officer, are you compelling me to consent to speak?".

If you feel that you SHOULD answer when a police officer REQUESTS information then a perfectly LEGAL response would be "NO COMMENT".  You answered the question and just because the cop may not like what he/she heard doesn't make it any less a LEGAL RESPONSE.

Perhaps you're aware of the dude Hibel out of Nevada.  He refused to produce his license to a cop and was taken to jail.  He appealed to the Nev Sup Ct and he won.  However, on appeal to the US Sup Ct he lost, why?  Because he used the WRONG ARGUMENT.  He claimed he didn't have to produce he license, but his agreement with the DMV required him to do so.  Had he used a different argument he might have faired a little better, like the one "I do not consent to speak" or "I'm exercising my right not to talk or produce information that can be used against me." 

Maybe re-reading Brown v. Texas 443 U.S. 47 (1979) would be useful.

[David]

It doesn't really matter what the law says, or weather it was lawful or not.  Lauren does not recognize their authority, she only recognizes that they will hurt her if she doesn't comply.  But when she gets out, she will be freer than any person in nh.