Secession

[president]

....after you buy your place in NH ..... you could have your own country of sorts

When will you be buying some land in NH?

[ken]

Anyone remember this?
Here is a copy of their Proclamation of Independence and Sovereignty
http://www.principalityofcamside.cc/Proclamation/proclamation02.htm

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15979076%255E1702,00.html
Family sets up own 'kingdom'
By Melissa Jenkins
19jul05

A SELF-proclaimed prince who declared his family farm an independent kingdom wrote a letter to a "devil" in the tax office, arguing he and his sons did not have to pay tax, a Melbourne court was told today.

The Rigoli family ? father Virgilio, 67, and sons Philip, 36, and Little Joe, 25 ? named their property near Shepparton in Victoria's north the Principality of Ponderosa, arguing it was not part of Australia.

Virgilio and Little Joe were charged with defrauding the Commonwealth in June 2001 after police raided the family's Swainston Rd property, while Philip was charged three years later.

The trio was convicted of fraud earlier this month, while Virgilio ? the self-proclaimed prince of Ponderosa ? was also found guilty of obtaining an invalid pension.

During a pre-sentencing hearing today, Victorian County Court judge Tim Wood heard the trio earned $6.9 million between 1991 and 2000 through its polystyrene box manufacturing firm.
   

"The accused had decided that they were not going to pay taxation to the Commonwealth of Australia and had gone to the trouble of setting up an independent municipality ... to distance themselves from the laws of Australia," crown prosecutor Gavin Silbert told the court.

He said Virgilio wrote a letter to an employee at the Australian Tax Office (ATO), addressing it "to the devil possessed," and Little Joe wrote another letter explaining why he refused to pay tax.

"I do not recognise nor will I ever recognise the government of Australia, signed His Royal Highness, Little Joseph Rigoli," Mr Silbert said the letter read.

He said fences were erected around their 24 hectare property, which issued its own Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1994.

The farm was surrounded by a moat and people required passports to enter and leave.

Defence counsel for Virgilio, Nathan Crafti, said Ponderosa was a manifestation of his client's "resentment" towards the Department of Agriculture, which bulldozed his fruit crop after it became infested with a pest.

"That was what caused him to set up the principality ? it had nothing to do with the ATO," he said.

Mr Crafti said the ATO had already received $80,000 from the Rigoli's bank accounts, plus a further $35,000 from a fuel diesel rebate which was frozen.

Meanwhile, Philip Rigoli's lawyer, Shane Kennedy, argued his client underwent a "stunning" transformation after he left the "strange and toxic conditions" of Ponderosa in 1997.

"Once away from the Ponderosa his true colours manifested themselves," Mr Kennedy said.

He said the amount of money his client withheld from the ATO was about one-tenth of that his father and brother withheld.

The hearing continues tomorrow.

[Russell Kanning]

Interesting ..... I don't think we will make a kingdom.

[Friday]

There already is a Jefferson, NH .... but not a country called Jefferson .... is there? What was that thing called in NCal/SOre?
There is a freedom, NH but not a Liberty, NH yet.

the State of Jefferson http://www.jeffersonstate.com/

[Lloyd Danforth]

Interesting ..... I don't think we will make a kingdom.

Speak for yourself

[Kat Kanning]

Curmudgeon Kingdom!

[Lex]

Kingdom of Eukreignia

I like the sound of that 

[Russell Kanning]

Interesting ..... I don't think we will make a kingdom.

Speak for yourself

I was. Are you planning a Kingdom like the one in The Mouse that Roared?

[Kat Kanning]

I guess that was a royal "we".

[Russell Kanning]

the State of Jefferson http://www.jeffersonstate.com/

I thought this was much smaller. The area is huge and many of the people in it would not be interested in seceeding. I thought it was like 15 farmers/ranchers that all agreed about the idea.

[Russell Kanning]

This comes from watching that movie "the Castle" too many times in one year.

[Lex]

This comes from watching that movie "the Castle" too many times in one year.

Hm?

[jgmaynard]

Petoria...... heheehehehe.....




JM

[Russell Kanning]

This comes from watching that movie "the Castle" too many times in one year.

Hm?

A must see movie.

[Russell Kanning]

If someone like you bought the rights from a tribe, wouldn't you think the federal government would just not recognize your right?
The casinos in Vegas are trying to take away Indian tribes rights gambling rights in California.
I don't have enough money to buy anything from the Indians. I have to fight from where I am.