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The Libertarian Solution To End Homelessness

Started by Alex Libman, June 11, 2013, 02:56 PM NHFT

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Alex Libman

Quick Tent City of Lakewood, NJ news round-up:

  • The Aug 7th "world premiere" of Destiny's Bridge, a feature documentary film about Tent City, is SOLD OUT!  A successful launch likely means there will be more screenings in other locations nationwide, film festivals, etc.  Be sure to like / follow the film on  Facebook or Twitter for updates.  It should also be possible for people to sponsor or host screenings in their area - PM me if you're interested, and I'll talk to the filmmaker.
  • There's been a lull in the confrontation with the government - for now.  Minister Steve Brigham wanted to appear cooperative, stay away from Town Hall, let them tear up a few tents, and hope they forget about Tent City for a while - particularly that they don't interfere with the film premiere.  (Which we couldn't hold at the Strand Theater in Lakewood - mainly because they're part of the same good-ol-boy network as the municipal gov't.)  I've decided to follow his lead.  It looks like it worked, at least for a while...  For their part, after they've had their latest "show of force" with the bulldozers, the piggies got lazy again and there's been less harassment than usual...
  • "Less harassment than usual" is still A LOT of harassment to deal with.  A few days ago cops came in and fired 5 bullets at one of our dogs...  In another recent example, they've blocked off the road to prevent a church youth group from entering with donations.  Times are hard, and donations to Tent City are drying up, mostly because a lot of people have been misinformed by the unfriendly local media that the place is already shut down...
  • There's a lot of incompetence and confusion about that "free apartment for a year to GTFO" bribe that everyone except me accepted.  Only a couple of people have been placed so far...  So the population of the camp is the highest it's ever been, with a lot of people jumping on board just before the deadline to get free housing.  (Some people are "bad applies" and probably deliberate monkey-wrenches thrown at us by the municipal gov't, who make up ridiculous slander against Minister Steve and try to scare away any donors that come in - remember that we're not allowed by the gov't to evict anyone.)  A lot of people thought the government would follow through quickly and keep its word - LOL...   ::)
  • I've been trying to help Tent City grow its online presence, but, to be perfectly honest...  I'm just a burned-out half-blind manic-depressive ex-programmer living off-the-grid...  Promoting the documentary has taken up most of my productive energy.  (I've also been frustrated by the fact that I can't get anyone else here to help me do some serious internal journalism and writing for the Web-site; and not everybody at Tent City is happy with my libertarian positions...)  I could really use everyone's help in spreading the word about Tent City.  Please invite all your friends to the TentCityNJ page on Facebook.  If you run a blog, please give Tent City a mention to help spread the word...

Alex Libman

A couple of recent rants:

QuoteVoluntary charity is not only far more moral than the Welfare State, but it is also far more efficient, and it averts the danger of centralized power inevitably being misused to tyrannical ends.

Some people help the poor for religious or altruistic reasons, but there are also rational and selfish reasons to do so.  Homelessness and extreme poverty are problems that the free market needs to solve in order to flourish, and people who help solve these problems should get all the recognition and respect they deserve.  We need to build a culture where voluntary philanthropy is valued, and where building a Tent City gets you more respect than driving a Lamborghini - then that will be the death of the Welfare State, and all other Statism along with it!

Cost-effective solutions to poverty often call for ingenious technological solutions.  Like Howard Roark agreeing to architect a housing project for the poor (in exchange for nothing but an agreement to retain creative control, because the economic design challenge fascinated him), many competent individuals will find perfectly selfish motivations to voluntarily help the poor.  Rational people will help eliminate poverty - not because they see themselves as "their brothers' keepers", but because they love innovation, efficiency, and freedom!


QuoteOn the hypocrisy of "public" land (or "public" anything)...

It has been demonstrated over and over again in economics that market mechanisms encourage efficiency, innovation, and user satisfaction.

You don't like a private Internet cafe, you go to a different one (or pursue some other means of attaining the same benefit).  But you have to pay for the "public" library - whether you use it or not, and whether you like it or not.  They keep telling us that "public" institutions are necessary to help the poor - not everyone can pay at a private cybercafé.  That justification is flawed, but it's still the most coherent and popular justification for public schools, public parks, etc, etc, etc.

"In the name of the poor" the government spends $62,000/year per family below the poverty line (and that's just entitlements, not all "public" institutions).  In the name of the poor we have government monopolies in child education, many aspects of transportation, increasingly in health insurance, etc, etc, etc.  If just a fraction of that money had been redistributed directly (i.e. Guaranteed Minimum Income), there'd be no poor in this country, no excuse to retain those government monopolies, and market institutions would bring great efficiency and innovation to all those fields.

The land that Tent City is situated on has been withdrawn from the marketplace and made "public".  The government didn't homestead this land through labor or obtain it through voluntary trade; it is the default owner through the institutionalized coercion of state.
The "upper" and "middle" income classes didn't need that service from the government - they can support plenty of greenery (directly or indirectly) in their neighborhoods, county clubs, golf courses, private parks, etc.  They pay more in taxes than they get back, and what they get back isn't necessarily what they want.

Thus this excuse for "government ownership" of land (which was built on false premises to begin with), breaks down completely when laws are passed prohibiting the poorest people from using it!




Alex Libman

#17
By Rosemary Conte on Patch.com -- Film Destiny's Bridge Showing in Ocean Twp, NJ --

QuotePerhaps you heard about the World Premiere of Destiny's Bridge, the film about the homeless community in the woods of Lakewood that was shown at Two River Theater, Red Bank in August. It was sold out... a glorious event; but 100 people had to be turned away as no seats were left!

Good news is that we are showing the film again on Thurs, Sept 19, at 7pm at Middlebrook Cinemas, 1502 Rt. 35 So, Ocean Township, NJ.  Tickets are only $10 and can only be purchased ONLINE (print your own ticket) at DestinysBridge.com.

After the film, there will be a Q&A, with filmmaker Jack Ballo; Tent City Founder Minster Steve Brigham; and Tent City residents featured in the film.

Here's what Alex Libman, Lakewood posted after viewing the film: "The experience in Red Bank was unforgettable! The Q&A alone is worth the price of admission! It's definitely the kind of movie you wanna see more than once."

Please join us to view this acclaimed and beautiful film made in a technique known as cinéma vérité (ver-i-tay.) No narration by the filmmaker. No interviews by the filmmaker. He fades into the background as the camera captures daily life in the woods. Ballo spent a year at the encampment filming its challenges, its conflicts and its joy. In the film you get to know residents - how they got there, and what they think and feel as they talk among themselves, and go about their job of surviving... living through conflicts, attending their tent church, growing vegetables, taking turns cooking for 100 tent residents, tending to their pets and chicken preserve...playing music, and allowing their stories to unfold in the purest way.

The film is also about the solution to homelessness envisioned by Minster Steve based on his experiences living in the woods, ministering to the Tent dwellers. A non-profit organization has been created with the goal of acquiring land on which tiny houses would be built and where homeless people can live with dignity in a sustainable community. On site, would be job training, counseling, and rehabilitation, to equip the residents for rejoining society. Such a community would be called Destiny's Bridge, and is the name of the non-profit organization founded to make the vision a reality. I am a member.

Please join us on Thur, Sept 19Get your ticket at DestinysBridge.com. Note: Parents bringing teen children could find this film the opening to an important family dialogue. Recommended for ages 13 and up.

Please invite all your friends in NJ to the Facebook Event!

Most direct link to buy tickets - http://BrownPaperTickets.com/event/450416





For updates on future screening locations, announcements about DVD's, etc please follow Destiny's Bridge on Facebook or Twitter.


EDIT - Video of the premiere - film screening, Q&A, and after-party from Aug 7th  [YT]  [FB] [G+] [TW]

Alex Libman

My open e-mail to ilya.hemlin@townsquaremedia.com about http://wobm.com/lakewood-works-towards-tent-city-closure/ - subject "Very Inaccurate Article About Tent City":


QuoteDear Ilya Hemlin,

My name is Alex Libman. I am a resident of Tent City (Lakewood, NJ), where I have been trying to help out by maintaining the Tent City Web-site (http://TentCityNJ.org) and Facebook Page (http://FB.com/TentCityNJ).

I just came across your latest article - which left me (and everyone else I talked to at Tent City) shocked and confused, and in many cases boiling with indignation, because your article is inaccurate on almost every point!

Where did those numbers come from?! The last I heard, at most 6 residents, out of 122 that were on the census, were placed in housing. This is also the first time I'm hearing about a "health screening". Furthermore, not all 122 agreed to sell their Rights for the promised "one year free housing" (heck knows when, heck knows where) at tax-victim expense!

Akerman comes across as a complete psychopath in thinking that his bulldozing of Tent City will be remembered "in a positive light".  It will be remembered as a horrible violation of Human Rights, and further proof of the great absurdity of so-called "Public Land" (i.e. land that the government stole from the marketplace, mainly in the name of the poor)! It will be remembered as a blunder that has increased taxes and pushed more and more businesses to leave the area, further contributing to the downward economic spiral that the government has created!

Alex Libman

#19
Tent City Bumper Stickers - ranging from serious to religious to political to downright silly. What better way is there to promote a cause?

Tweak 'em, print 'em, stick 'em where you want.  :D

Join our TC-BS (Tent City Bumper Stickers) Facebook Group to help brainstorm new ideas or post your design.


If these images get cut off for width, press Ctrl-Minus to zoom out your browser:





































We're ordering some bulk-printed right now to hand out to visitors to Tent City, and of course at Destiny's Bridge screenings and events as well.  If you can't make it in person, and you don't happen to have the special printer hardware - there are many different online services (ex. BuildASign.com) that will print and ship a sticker for about $3.

Alex Libman

Here is an example of some of the speed bumps that I deal with in my online advocacy of Tent City...

There is this character who calls "him"self "Chris" (ChrisTentCityResident@gmail.com), who has made many malicious and demonstrably false online comments about Tent City.  This includes comments on a local spam and fascist propoganda rag called "The Lakewood Scoop", in whose site's comments section "he" can lie unanswered, as my detailed and tediously-factual comments are always resentfully edited or deleted.  "He" has tried to vandalize our wiki, excibiting much stupidity in the process.  He also tries to poke me every few days via e-mail...

"He" claims to be a Tent City resident who expects to get free housing for a year, and is senselessly afraid that I'll get in the way of his mooching.  I have reasons to wager that the reality is even more pathetic - that "he" is a made-up persona, most likely used by more than one person, created by political interests who want Tent City bulldozed.  Here's "his" latest e-mail (with my added emphasis), which seems to be a response to a nasty comments exchange that "he" initiated on Tent City's Google+ Reviews Page:

QuoteI am one person, my real name is Chris, and for my own security i cannot disclose my last name as you will scout me out. The facts are on my side as i had a conversation with some of the neighboring residents and i know what goes on inside here. You on the other hand are a new comer here, brainwashed by Steve Brigham and his cronies and are totally biased - all you want is that Steve should continue controlling and he is a complete control freak, however all i want is for us to be placed properly at least for a year so that i can continue on my life and maybe have some sort of a successful one, You don't want me to expose my evidence on the public forums, it will definitely not do good for you and for me, because the evidence that i have, will taint Steve and your image forever as well as the entire Tent City leaving me with no place to live in the interim. Trust me if you know what i have been documneting and recording you will run for dear life before.......... gotta go now........ see yah later


This is typical nonsense, but the accusation that I've been "brainwashed" by Minister Steve Brigham warrants a response, not only to "him" but as publicly as possible...  So, here's my open reply:

QuoteDear Bulldozer Troll (which shall be your name until you stop hiding behind anonymity while fortifying your whining on claims of being a Tent City resident),

You have never ever presented a single shred of evidence to justify your verbal diarrhea, which is hurting 100+ actual residents of Tent City by scaring away donors and harming potential for goodwill with the surrounding community! The "for my own security" humbug isn't going to convince anybody - if you were an actual Tent City resident, you would know that there already are plenty of other malicious lying assholes here trying to give Minister Steve a hard time, and they get to enjoy complete impunity as Minister Steve continues to tolerate them and provide for their needs. If you refuse to discuss your accusations openly, on the basis of evidence and reason, then you are not only a liar but also a coward.

I've told you that I will not waste time in e-mail conversations with you, and I believe that wasting my time is your primary purpose. I will, however, address your ridiculous claim that I have been "brainwashed by Steve Brigham". As with my other e-mail responses, this is mainly written for the benefit (or amusement) of other people who'll see these e-mails, not you.

Steve Brigham and I agree on very little. I am an atheist, pro-technology futurist / transhumanist, anti-socialist / pro-capitalist activist, and a tax resister. He is an ordained Christian Minister, with much professed fondness for the "communism" of the Early Church, and lots of additional nutty ideas involving primitivism, eschatology, long-debunked Peak Oil nonsense, etc. Although he has said a number of things about the virtue of Tent City saving much taxpayer money, which is entirely in line with my position, that's merely an example of a stopped clock being right twice a day; Minister Steve has no qualms about campaigning for tax-funded help for the homeless, which I oppose. He is also particularly critical of the gentrification of Lakewood by the Orthodox Jews (something that I've actually referenced as a positive example in my writings about what can be accomplished by libertarians with something called the Free State Project in New Hampshire); where he sees "segregated neighborhoods", I see voluntary communities that would be perfectly acceptable in a free market, if only HUD money were not involved... I've disagreed with Minister Steve on many specific things, including the chickens (I hate them!), water tanks, civil disobedience (after the "Consent Order", I wanted to actively encourage more people to come; he refused), fundraising techniques (he doesn't want the Web-site to appear "too commercial"), etc.  Etc.  Some interesting existentialist thought experiments aside, my brain has not been "washed" nor my perspectives altered in any significant way since coming to Tent City.

Nevertheless, in spite of our disagreements, my cooperation with Minister Steve is founded in the respect that I have for him as a person with a long and well-documented history of integrity and hard work. I consider what he has accomplished in Tent City to be a great thing - if you believe otherwise then you should spend some time in other Tent Cities, like the shit-hole that I've visited in Camden. In my philosophy, solving the crucial problem of providing "basic needs" to the poor and the dysfunctional, without coercive taxation or taking away their incentive to work, is a great accomplishment. Minister Steve lets me gulch in Tent City and all that it provides (as I am genuinely untaxably penniless), and, in gratitude, I spend a couple of hours a day to help him with TC's online presence, some light secretarial work, and other related tasks.

I have never been counter-factual or biased in my online activities on behalf of Tent City. You will find that our Facebook Page is filled with links I disagree with, as its editorial policy is to link to all online mentions of our Tent City that can be found. We've never claimed that Tent City doesn't have drunks and drug addicts and garbage and harsh conditions and occasional fires - I've merely put these things in a logical perspective. I've crunched the numbers early on and admitted that smoke is a legitimate complaint against Tent City. I've told people making claims about "public urination" by TC residents to take pictures and call the police. As I keep reminding people, bulldozing Tent City will not make homelessness disappear; nor, in a time of record deficits and jobs leaving the state due to high taxes, is it realistic to provide tax-victim-funded apartments / motel rooms for the 12,000+ homeless people in New Jersey!

Although understandably no one wants a Tent City near their backyard, there is a legitimate need for Tent Cities to exist - I've never heard of a better solution. Tent City is situated on so-called "public land" - a highly dubious concept that government apologists often justify "in the name of the poor". I've never stood in the way of anybody getting their government handouts, as the Welfare State is already collapsing under the weight of its own inefficiency and corruption; I am just working to create a better alternative. If you have any substantive evidence, which I highly doubt, you should definitely make it public. If not, you should stop slandering us. Why not just let Minister Steve and myself do what we do, and leave Tent City alone? Whatever the cause of your anger at Tent City, we can discuss it openly and logically. You have thus-far done the very opposite.

-Alex

Alex Libman

I've recently received e-mails from a lawyer, partially quoted below:

Quote[...] I'm one of the attorneys working on Lakewood's attempts to close down Tent City. Steve tells me that any attempt to get housing from the government would present a conflict with your personal beliefs. Now, if this is true, I'm actually sympathetic to your point of view. However, I need to let you know about the legal consequences of your refusal. If you have the time and access to a phone, would you please call me [...]

Quote[...] here's what I wanted to say by phone:  if you do not apply for housing, Lakewood has the right to remove you from Tent City, something that they signaled on a phone call just yesterday that they are about to request from the court.  I believe I understand your objections to applying, but if you do not meet the Consent Order's terms, you may face ejectment in the near future, maybe within a few weeks.  Please consider it.  Thanks. [...]

(Hyperlinks and emphasis added.)


Here is my reply, quoted in full:

QuoteI don't have a cell phone, but we can communicate via e-mail (or, if you prefer, Facebook, etc). I reserve the right to (and likely will) make any part of our communications public.

It has been my openly-expressed position since I first arrived at Tent City (on March 1, 2013) that I refuse to accept any handouts of tax-payer money (that can be avoided). I chose to not be represented by your law firm, and am not a party to the "one year free housing to leave Tent City" agreement that some people have made. As a courtesy, I've agreed to provide all information that you wish to have about me, as I prefer to do everything in the open. For this reason I've agreed to participate in the census to answer questions and be photographed, but not to carry an additional ID card.

I take full responsibility for my homelessness and penniless-ness, which are largely a consequence of my own choice to walk away from a promising career as a computer programmer, and to focus on self-directed studies, which, among other things, have led me to what most people would describe as radical libertarian (pro-capitalist / anti-socialist) political and philosophical views. By staying in Minister Steve Brigham's Tent City, or by starting new ones on other secluded plots of "public land", I am exercising Civil Disobedience against the anti-homelessness laws, which (as even many of my socialist debate opponents agree) are contrary to the NJ State and US Constitution. Through my perpetual arrests and stints in jail, I also hope to bring attention to the failings of the Welfare State, and the hypocrisy of this dubious concept of "public property", as government apologists try to justify most government interventions in the marketplace "in the name of the poor".

I do not agree with the legal position that the government has an "obligation" to provide housing. Idealistically, I believe that this involuntary redistribution of funds from the producers to those that fail to pull their economic weight constitutes theft. Pragmatically, you will find that providing free apartments / motel rooms isn't a viable solution for NJ's 12,000+ homeless individuals, especially as more and more brains, businesses, and jobs are fleeing the state due its tax burden, which is already one of the highest in the nation. Elsewhere on the Internet, I make economic arguments that people like the Tent City residents are victims of government intervention into the marketplace, which has created artificial scarcity in affordable housing and multiplied their cost of living.

My philosophical position, even if it isn't legislatively convenient, is that homeless people should (in circumstances such as ours) be allowed to homestead so-called "public land". More specifically, this means that the land on which we've built Tent City over the past 7+ years should be transferred to an NGO, to create a competently-managed community for otherwise-homeless individuals. I believe that communities such as Tent City, funded through voluntary charity and mutual aid, can exist in harmony with nature and all of our surrounding neighbors. We can find ways to solve problems like smoke pollution, establish better resident screening and safety policies, gradually evolve from tents to "tiny homes" as revenues permit, etc. Unlike the government housing, we can create a solution to homelessness that is simultaneously moral, compassionate rather than bureaucratic, cost-effective and accountable to its funders, and not contrary to the residents' individual incentive to find work.

While staying at Tent City, I have expressed my gratitude to Minister Steve and other Tent City supporters by taking on the role of the camp's "IT guy", "Webmaster", and administrative assistant. I communicate with (prospective) Tent City supporters on Facebook, help Minister Steve answer e-mails and write letters, audio-record his sermons for patrons who cannot attend in person, help other Tent City residents fill out online application forms, etc. This "one year of free housing" deal has caused the camp's population to swell, while donations have declined as many people have been misinformed by the press that Tent City's story is already over. Now more than ever Tent City needs to be able to communicate with the outside world, and I consider it my current calling to help with that the best that I can.

I understand that I may be forcefully dragged out of Tent City at any time - I've lived with that expectation since May. This will begin the dance of my perpetual disobedience and arrests (I hope LPD officers don't get muscle crams in their arms from so much dragging of my limp 300lb body). I would prefer that this be postponed - not as a courtesy to me, but to Minister Steve, if he considers my assistance to be helpful to his work, as he is contractually permitted to stay in Tent City until everyone else has been placed. If Minister Steve's Chapel and the rest of Tent City is to be bulldozed, I would prefer to be the penultimate resident to "leave" Tent City.

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Silent_Bob

Why anyone would fight to stay in a cesspit located in the armpit of the universe remains a mystery.

KBCraig

Quote from: Silent_Bob on October 05, 2013, 03:00 PM NHFT
Why anyone would fight to stay in a cesspit located in the armpit of the universe remains a mystery.

If you can manage to live (relatively) free there, you can live free anywhere.

When I was getting out of the Army, my then-sister-in-law promised she could get me a great job because she was in tight with all sorts of muckety-mucks at Campbell Soup.

It took a few years for the family to get over it when I replied that I'd sleep in a cardboard box on a steam grate before I would live in New Jersey.  ;D

Alex Libman

Quote from: Silent_Bob on October 05, 2013, 03:00 PM NHFTWhy anyone would fight to stay in a cesspit located in the armpit of the universe remains a mystery.

Because for the past 3 years I've been too butthurt at Ian Fraudman to move to New Hampshire.

The forum drama has driven me to madness.  If I get no respect from you people online, and then get stabbed in the back to your universal laughter, why should I move just to be in your midst?  The libricide and its aftermath has destroyed all possibility of trust...

I will stand my ground, where I am, alone.

Alex Libman

I've recently been interviewed (via e-mail) by Angelia Phillips (aka femmeflashpoint) [FB] [G+] [TW] [IN] - a blogger, photojournalist, and author (among other things).  From this she wrote this article about our Tent City:

Vets in the Woods - Where Will You Sleep Tonight?

Selectively quoted below:

QuoteBeing homeless doesn't have to mean being alone and unwanted.

If you were homeless, what if you found out about a place tucked away in the woods where other homeless folks live, that has privacy, food, and a place to bathe and rest in relative safety?

If you happen to be homeless in Lakewood, NJ, such a place actually exists.

There, the residents live mostly in tents, but have made them as comfortable and homey as possible. Some of them have even put up pretty fences around their tiny yards, and hung decorations on the outsides of their dwellings. So, it's really much more than a place to sleep and get a meal.

[SNIP - see full article]

QuoteThere are over 630,000 homeless Americans. Of those, it's estimated that 40% of them are families with children. Our elected officials have spent millions of dollars of Americans' monies via tax collection, and it hasn't stopped the problems that come with being homeless. If government intervention worked, we'd not be seeing the numbers of American homeless rise by as much as 10% annually, according to the latest national estimates.

A significant change can happen today, beginning with each of us. We can put a different slant on our perspectives of the homeless and how to help them. Let's start by remembering the wonderful opportunities in volunteering. Volunteering means it happens of your own free will. It means the government isn't involved and no taxes are collected for it. It means much more can be done with much less when bureaucrats keep their hands away from it, unless they're operating as a volunteer as well.

There are some who say that if a people are not forced to help, they won't. I say those with that opinion are either lying, or stupid. I've lived in this country for most of my life and found it to be one of the most generous populations on the planet.

There will always be those who will never want to help, and it's their right to choose. Thankfully, they're the minority. And, should the time ever come when it's their turn to be in need, they might not get it. (Karma can have sharp teeth, and we reap what we sew.)


The article also quotes me at great length:

QuoteI was always reluctant to accept government aid, but I also came to understand that there was no aid to accept. If you go to Social Services in Lakewood and proclaim you're about to become homeless, they'll give you nothing but run-around. Ocean County, NJ (where Lakewood is located) doesn't have a homeless shelter. They aren't even allowed to refer you to the shelter in Atlantic County anymore - they just give you a hotline to call, which might (at most) refer you to some church program...

QuoteI think there is a great need for tent cities that allow broke and unemployed, or low-income  individuals who cannot afford other housing, to survive very cheaply, living in donated $100 tents rather than $1500 per month motel rooms that the government temporarily provides for a lucky few. I think the latter is unfair to the tax-payers, and (just counting the direct housing costs, without the inevitable bureaucratic overhead and other expenses), our Tent City has already saved the taxpayers over $6,000,000, and is currently saving about $2,000,000 a year!

So there's definitely a need for a new Tent City, one that won't be endlessly slandered, sabotaged, and threatened with bulldozers by the municipal government...  This stigma of "illegality" has chased away a lot of donors and undermined much community support...

QuoteAs a member of the Free State Project, I personally dream of setting up a new Tent City in New Hampshire - the economically and politically freest state in the North East, and quite possibly all of USA.

See the article for a lot more of my quotations.  They appear a little disjointed, because the "interview" e-mail contained questions I was answering, and only the answers appear in the article, but it's still a great article overall.


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Silent_Bob

Quote from: Alex Libman on October 06, 2013, 06:25 PM NHFT
Quote from: Silent_Bob on October 05, 2013, 03:00 PM NHFTWhy anyone would fight to stay in a cesspit located in the armpit of the universe remains a mystery.

Because for the past 3 years I've been too butthurt at Ian Fraudman to move to New Hampshire.

The forum drama has driven me to madness.  If I get no respect from you people online, and then get stabbed in the back to your universal laughter, why should I move just to be in your midst?  The libricide and its aftermath has destroyed all possibility of trust...

I will stand my ground, where I am, alone.

One person affiliated with the freedom community causes you online angst and this dictates your real life actions?

You will stand your ground until the all the parasitic lawyers on both sides have milked the issue for all its worth, then you will be forcibly removed.

Russell Kanning

you chose a federal prison over Cambell's?
they even have a place in Paris ..... Texas. :)

KBCraig

Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 07, 2013, 02:10 PM NHFT
you chose a federal prison over Cambell's?
they even have a place in Paris ..... Texas. :)

No, I chose Computerland, then Pepsi, then Shoney's.

Russell Kanning

haha

I was also figuring that Alex was our official ambassador to NJ