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[Russell Kanning]

The phrase 'morning and evening' means epochs?
I see no evidence that Hebrews throughout time have assumed ages.
These hero stories have changed since Jesus time.
Where is the evidence that these geeks were written 200 years later? I would say that is just the oldest copies.
God is subject to science?

[Russell Kanning]

Zeitgeist REFUTED & DEBUNKED! (Religious Portion) - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4

[MaineShark]

The phrase 'morning and evening' means epochs?

No.  It's actually "evening" followed by "morning," so if it were bracketing anything in particular, it would be the night, not the day.

But that's not the actual phrase that's actually used in the original Hebrew.  That's how King James' monks mistranslated the thing.  The Hebrew says "there was evening, and there was morning" - the two are not put directly into contact with each other, which has a critical importance in ancient Hebrew.

Remember that Hebrew cannot be directly translated to English (and vice-versa).  English can express concepts that cannot be expressed in Hebrew.  Hebrew can express concepts in ways that cannot be expressed in English.

Ancient Hebrew had verb tenses that don't even exist in the English language, some of which are particular to storytelling, and which modify the meaning of the word.  English also tends towards puncuality in the interpretation of events, whereas ancients did not live our hectic lives, and took things at a slower pace, not assuming instantaneous action.  Tell an English-speaker that God said, "let there be light," and he imagines someone flicking on a light switch.  The ancient Israelites, who were the intended audience for Genesis, would have thought no such thing; the result of a command may take a great deal of time to come about (sort of like saying, "build a house" does not cause a house to instantly spring into existence).

The use of a phrase like, "there was evening and there was morning" or even "there was morning and there was evening" in Hebrew storytelling is a poetic usage, denoting the beginning and end of a period, just as the English phrase, "twilight years of his life" has nothing to do with the lighting that was present, but rather that someone's life is reaching its end.  The particular use of evening before morning denotes the end of one period, and the beginning of the next.

"Young earthers" will also tend to argue that the Comandment to keep the Sabbath once per seven-day week indicates that the actual Creation was seven literal days.  But that argument necessarily fails, as most of the rules that God gives (and that is not exception) are clearly symbolic.  God doesn't ask for burnt offerings because He likes a good cook-out.  The Sabbath is designed to be a regularly-repeated chance to take time out from the business of life, to spend on spirituality.  They could just have easily separated the year into seven "months" and said, "we'll spend one of these on God," but something tells me that the livestock would starve and the crops would fail; so, since this God guy is pretty smart, His suggestion was more practical...

[Russell Kanning]

But it is 7 days.
Hebrew is different than English?
Most Jews have their day start at sunset.

[MaineShark]

But it is 7 days.

What is seven days?

Hebrew is different than English?

Very.  They share no common roots.

Most Jews have their day start at sunset.

But it does not say "from evening to the next evening."  It goes from evening to morning.  So, if that were actually defining "days," then it would be defining "days" that only last for the dark period.

What it's actually saying is the "evening" of one epoch, followed by the "morning" of the next.  It can't be defining a 24-hour period, because it doesn't bracket 24 hours.

[KBCraig]

What makes a better case for religion?  "I'm going to assert illogical things which aren't even in the Bible!"  Or, "yeah, you scientists just learned that? Our Bible describes what happened, and it's thousands of years old. How could those ancients have known what happened, if they were not Divinely inspired?"

The latter might actually convince some folks to move towards spirituality.

There is a paradox contained in "living by faith": it is that many people presume it's not "real faith" if there is also non-faith-based evidence. Therefore, in order to live by faith, one must believe most strongly, the most unbelievable things.

[dalebert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6noDH6F7lwk

[Jim Johnson]

... in order to live by faith, one must believe most strongly, the most unbelievable things.

What would keep a person who lived by that philosophy from believing in witches or fairies or governments?  Nothing.

That is the most destructive part of religion.

[dalebert]

I think we should be able to believe whatever we want and then it would become true. I could come up with some pretty cool religions and mythical creatures and super powers.

[dalebert]

Zeitgeist REFUTED & DEBUNKED! (Religious Portion) - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4

Since that's 2 hours long, can you return the favor and post the minute mark for a short part worth watching?

BTW, is their explanation that all the others were fake and Jesus was the only real one even though all the others came long before and the reasoning was because Satan knew Jesus was coming and he faked all the others to trick us? Cause I've already heard that explanation. They actually mention it in The God Who Wasn't There. It's shortly after the part I linked to at 18 mins in. How come God isn't able to hide his plans from Satan?

That explanation is pretty much a catch all. Evidence that goes against the Bible? Satan planted it to trick you! You should ignore evidence. It's all evil.

[Russell Kanning]

sorry you would have to watch the whole thing
he shows how the similarities are added later
but it is true .... that people knew the Messiah was coming ... and when ..... that is why there were many fakes running around at the some time

[Pat K]

Call for a Messiah and then call for Pizza and see who gets to your house first.

[Kat Kanning]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ

[Tom Sawyer]

Call for a Messiah and then call for Pizza and see who gets to your house first.

Domino Jesus... 30 minutes or you are saved for free!

[Jim Johnson]

Call for a Messiah and then call for Pizza and see who gets to your house first.

If you prayed for a pizza, it would be a tie.