Would you trade a JP or whatever his name is (cuz we don't know) for Dalebert?
How about FTL's Cantwell for Jason Talley?
Because that is what has been done.
Trade them how? Dale, was it as simple as this? If JP didn't exist would you still be happily living in Keene, thinking it was the greatest place in the world?
Is the diaspora of top notch freedom lovers out of Keene bad for the freedom movement? I doubt the Manchester crowd feels that way.
Whatever it says about my own discernment of character, there were three people I spent a lot of time with and really tried to get to know, during my summer in Keene: Jason Talley, Garret Ean, and Pete Eyre--three of the finest human beings I've had privilege to associate with. None of them would give up on freedom because Ian promoted some assholes on FTL.
But one thing I've been having a lot of trouble not being curious about is Cantwell's claim that he got Garret kicked out of the parsonage/KAC. I'm not the keep-in-touch type, and am completely out of the loop on this. I can't imagine what madness would cause anyone to discern that Garret was one to be banished? O_o
K neth, when you say "fear fear fear fear", you imply my decisions are based purely on an emotional response when I'm in fact making rational decisions based on whether associating with certain people actually furthers my goals or harms them.
Dale, if someone said that they didn't want to associate with you because it didn't further their goals, that they were just making a rational decision void of any emotion, one might suspect that they were lying to themselves about their homophobia. But I have no way of really knowing what fears grip anyone else in the darkness, alone, in the bitter watches of the night.
My list of the fears I see in this thread indicates that these are fears of my own; that I am projecting these fears into the various posts. It speaks well of each of you who replied to say your discernment is not based in fear, showing that you engaged in some self-examination. It's good no one here is going to threaten to sue me for slander, thinking I've accused them of cowardice.
No one has commented on the embracing-the-rapist dynamic. Still, the replies seem to support my observation. You champions of discernment are saying the same exact things as the lefty statists in the second group at the Peace Alliance.
Men of God make everyone feel guilty and judged
It seems impossible to speak of the path of non-judgement to anyone who has not chosen that path, without sounding holier than thou. "I am so superior in my morals and look down disapprovingly on you lowly sinners who would dare to judge others." Maybe it's wrong to ever bring it up in group discussions. If so, I forgive myself. The hardest person to stop casting judgement upon is yourself, but once done, it's very liberating.
The impasse between us ridiculous rapist embracers and the righteous discerners seems beyond reconciliation. I should probably stop annoying you and inviting dismissive comments.
Come on Dale cut him some slack, he quotes Yoda for goodness sake.
it's gotta be worth something
Yes, yes! To Russell you listen.
My words all seem worthless. Perhaps all words are worthless. But it seems the amusement derived from prompting the message from the pres was worth whatever nonsense I've might have typed.
An important message from the President of the New Hampshire Underground...
